giuliani said this morning he will reach out for that talent virtually across the line, everythnic line. but let me just say to you that, you know, reaching out and becoming a public official is not easy today. >> rose: you ought to know. >> well, appointment is easy, easier than running for election. but dow subject yourself to a lot of abuse. i mean he wasn even getting paid for s job,he did an astounding job and yet has suffered a lot of criticism om a lot of people over the years. >> well, i think adam and eve is a very good way of telling a very complex story. >> rose: okay but let me understand, it's telling a story. >> yes. >> rose: so it's what. >> it's imagery. >> it's metaphor. >> rose: it didn't happen that way but it's a nice metaphor. >> i don't think it happened that way. i think it's much too complicated to suggest it happened that way. >> rose: it happened like darwin said. >> i think it's probably closer to darwin than anything else. >> rose: so why do you believe when you can't prove. >> well, i believe lots of things i can't prove. if i had to depend on the things in