and joe fled and he was in the car trembling and looking for the gearshift when burton russell was somewhat elderly at this point and his butler came running out and said, oh, no, no, it's okay. he thought you were edward teller. (laughing.) >> oh, perfect. we're going to turn the questions to the audience in 1 minute. i have a final question from me and that is that when joe heller wrote catch-22, i think this is correct, ken keysee was write one flew over the cuckoo's nest, and kurt vonnegut was writing the cat's cradle. what produced all this irreverence. we were the silent generation. we didn't protest but something was bubbling. what was -- >> a lot of it had to do with the war. >> but which war? take mine -- you mean the korean war? >> no, i think it had to do with the experience of world war ii and the holocaust, you know. how do you deal with all those stuff and how do you cope with it and one jewish way was through humor. not that they were all jewish. it was in the air, what we remembered plaque comedy. that was the style at the time and there were many books in this vein and joe's was probably preimminent about them