the teenager whom the school has referred to as john doe answered some of my questions tonight. he said, i'm not a threat to anyone. he adds if anything the lawyers and spokes for the school are a direct threat to me by insulting my intelligence as though i do not understand or know the consequences of unprotected sex. who wants to have sex anyway at my age? he wants the school to stop making out like i'm this vermin that's out to get the student body at milton hershey. we'll talk to his attorney. first, to what is to many is a staggering fact. this is happening a quarter century after another young man ryan white fought to stay in school despite being hiv positive. through his battle many learned to leave their unfounded fear of hiv behind, but apparently not everyone. i talked about it earlier tonight with ryan white's mom. what went through your mind when you first heard about this 13-year-old honors student in pennsylvania being denied admission because he was hiv positive? >> oh, gosh. anderson, i just felt like, you know, it was ryan's story all over again. i mean, it just

john doe was 29. did you notice that?significant that he's 29, because by filing it now he gets in under the statute of limitations. if he waited a few months longer, he might now. >> the other interesting thing the attorney's saying four of the alleged victims outlined in the report have had in recent year what he described as congenial relationships with sandusky even going to his home visiting his wife. >> that may be significant. it may be evidence that no abuse took place. there's also a pattern in sexual abuse cases of people having continuing relationships. these are very weird and unfortunate and difficult relationships. but that alone doesn't prove sexual abuse did not take place. >> mark geragos, jeff toobin, thanks very much. >>> new developments in the syracuse sex abuse case. learning more about the recorded phone call between bernie fine's wife, one of his accusers and the role a local newspaper played in setting that up. we'll be right back. to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environ

they will all be identified today as john doe in court. sandusky says he's innocent. his lawyer suggests the alleged victims may be working together, and they may file a high dollar civil lawsuit. >> especially when you're being told by people, in some cases involving at least one of the accusers, that that's all the accuser and his family are talking, all the money they're going to get. >> the idea these people are coming forward with a financial incentive is ridiculous. >> also expected to take the stand today, penn state assistant coach mike mcqueary. he told the grand jury he saw sandusky raping a 10-year-old boy in the showers in 2002. nbc news has since confirmed a mcqueary family friend says mcqueary did not see the assault but heard what he called sex sounds in the shower and denied that he saw any abuse. >>> today on capitol hill, four occupy d.c. protesters on a hunger strike plan to head to congressional offices to demand district voting rights. the demonstrators say they refuse to eat until congress grants d.c. full representation instead of a nonvoting ho

. >> the man at the center of the civil suit is 29-years old now and is identified only as john doe. he is not one of the eight victims initially characterized in a grand jury report. he claims that sandusky assaulted him more than 100 times between the age of 10 and 14 and threatened to harm him and his family if he told anyone about the abuse. in his only broadcast interview about the scandal, sandusky told bob costas he has never abused a child. what are you denying you ever had any appropriate sexual contact with any of these boys? "yes, i am. >> but the man who filed suit today against sandusky into the charity he founded and penn state said it happened repeatedly at the home, the university locker room, and on football road trips. he said he chose to come forward now because of the bravery of other victims and the pain he feels about those who may have come after him. he said, i am hurting and have been for a long time because of what happened but feel even more tormented and i have learned that so many other kids have been at peace after me. lawyers have not responded to the a

. >> john, does this have the potential of being an election year issue? >> republicans are separate for a foreign policy issue they can cling to because president obama has been successful in foreign policy issues. this is one place where they might be able to get traction and they're not rooting for american failure in any place in the world, i don't believe that. but they are looking for a way in to make a critique of him that he is too weak to lead. >> is there any question of military action other than the possibility of some strikes? >> there's a debate in the administration right now. there are equal forces on both sides. >> if it was really problematic. i've been to iran, spent time looking at that part of the world and it's not a simple equation at all. one reason why, in many ways, the most effective thing that's happened were the cyber attacks year.r this >> is slowing down iran nuclear development as far as it went, helene, there's increasing pressure and pressure in israel, as well, a fierce debate as to whether to take action. >> there's wher

condoleezza soldiers guard one corner of the john doe.ut they are battling against farmers, and a lethal assortment of militia groups. >> we lost 12 rangers this year. >> are you managing to win the battle? >> yes, we have to. there is no other choice. >> for now, poverty, the lack of roads, and conflict. africa's economy is finally blooming and congo is suddenly at risk. >> we can not say, do not create economic activity. we can identify the most bio diverse place we should protect and tried to [inaudible] coax a project to make fuel- efficient stoves. it could -- is one small part of the giant international plan to will protect the rainforest and our climate. the plan is being debated this week at the climate conference in south africa. it could eventually see billions of pounds been poured into congo. it is complicated. >> there is no transparency, no control. >> chaos. >> for now, the poorly funded army does what they count. congo needs more on outside help, but this is a tough place for anyone to operate. the idea is simple and compe

john doe is 29. it's very significant that he's 29ment 29.>> the other thing that is interesting is that four of these alleged victims outlined in the grand jury report have had in recent years congenial relationships with sandusky, even going to his home and visiting his wife. >> that may be significant. that may be evidence that no abuse took place. there is also a pattern and sexual abuse cases of people, you know, having continuing relationships. these are very weird and unfortunate and difficult relationships. but that alone doesn't prove that sexual abuse did not take place. >> mark geragos and jeff toobin, thank you very much. up next, new developments in the syracuse sex abuse case. we're learning more about the reported phone calls between bernie fein's wife and one of his accusers and the role a local newspaper played in setting that up. nyquil:what? tissue box (whispering): he said nasal congestion... nyquil: i heard him. anncr vo: tylenol cold multi-symptom nighttime relieves nasal congestion... nyquil cold & flu doesn't. is all t

the man identified in court documents as john doe a. is now 29 years old and says sandusky molested him from 1992 when he was 10 years old to 1996. says the abuse happened in the penn state locker room, in sandusky's home and on the road. in a handwritten statement, the man talked about his anguish now that the scandal has become public saying, quote, i'm hurting and have been for a long time because of what happened. but feel now even more tormented that i have learned of so many other kids were abused after me. >>> a former colorado sheriff who was well known in the rockies for his toughness and bravery is now sitting in a jail that bears his own name after being arrested on charges that have shocked his community outside denver. our report tonight from nbc's miguel almaguer. >> reporter: shackled and appearing frail, it's a stunning fall for a man once revered as a law enforcement icon in colorado. patrick sullivan, the former sheriff of arapahoe county arrested yesterday by deputies from the department he once ran, accused of trying

john, does his campaign comparing newt gingrich's exclusion from the virginia ballot as a pearl harbor-like attack only serve to highlight his organizational troubles? >> merry christmas, lester. absolutely it highlights those troubles. this is a self-inflicted wound by newt gingrich. he's never going to make up the ground he lost in organization when his campaign imploded earlier in the year. we saw that in virginia. the question in iowa which is a state that values organization is whether he can restart enough momentum politically to overcome that absence. he's going to try to do that by portraying himself as more authentically conservative than mitt romney on the economy. >> ron paul has slowly built up some momentum in iowa, pulling even with gingrich. when asked he has not ruled out the idea of running as an independent. how would that change the landscape if that were to happen? >> in a major way. ron paul may pose a greater threat to mitt romney in the general election than newt gingrich does in the primaries. that's because he would provide an outlet other than the republican ticket

. >> john, how does that empowered audience, that youtube audience change the way you report when you're reporting, the way you do a show when you do a show? >> well, i think part it's just respect. any business needs to respect its consumers, and technology now allows the interaction, the conversation. the news business was built, much like the auto industry was built--"we're going to make these models, we will make these colors, the radio will be where we decide to put it, and you will buy it"--until-->> and" >> until globalization came along and there was competition, and now we watch the american auto industry through this, "hmm. can we survive?" moment. the news business is built the same way. "i will deliver the newspaper in your driveway at this time of day. if you want it earlier, too bad, and we will give you a broadcast when we decide to give it to you." now people have so many choices that we have to change. we have to actually have a conversation with our consumers, and we have to understand that they can take what i do at 7:00 at night or on a sunday morning and they can tak

august so you can have on the ballot like jane smith prefers hash mark us party or you can have john doe or whoever. prefer occupy wall street party and so the state of washington mails voters ballots we have mail in voters or mail in ballots so it's like every voter in the state is going to get these ballots they can say occupy wall street on them and not only that the state publishes a voter's guide where you get like so many words next to your photograph as a candidate explain what your policy proposals are for free in the hands of every voter i think it's really interesting i mean this is kind of a little bit of an off base comparison but it wasn't valid long ago just a few decades ago that the republican party sort of you know really made sure to associate candidates and get their views first and foremost not on how they're going to help the economy not how they're going to help citizens of america but what their views are on things like gun control and abortion i think in some ways this could be the answer to even if it's not getting occupy wall street candidates on the ballot whic

, mary doe, and of course they may all be like john doe or mary doe but that is not how the averagen: some perceive that there is an anti-incumbent mood out there we could see a triple flip. we could see the house go democratic, we could see the senate go republican and the white house go republican. >> reporter: i would bet anybody, not $10,000, that is not my game. maybe a hundred dollars that it's not going to happen. i'd say one-half of one percent chance that something like that would occur. by the way it's never happened in american history. you've never had a triple flip like that, at least since the senate what's elected popular lee beginning at the start of the 20th century. the odds are enormously against it. we live in a partisan, polarized age when peace moment at the top of the ballot vote republican, they continued voting republican to the bottom of the ballot. the same with democrats. jon: president obama's raeupbgts arratings are below $50. the popularity rating of the congress are far, far lower. is that why president obama is winning the battle on the payroll tax e

the lawsuit claims that your client john doe was raped ashgs bussed hundreds of times in multiple locationsy jerry sandusky and even out of state bowl game. the obvious question is why did your client keep his silence all these years? >> well, i think a fair question and i think it really requires us to really understand how sexual abuse by authority figures like sandusky coerce silence and secrecy and shame and cause this survivor and other victims like him to really believe that they're being cared for and to believe that it's their fault. and so they suffer in silence, blaming themselves and also believing that they won't be believed. usually when there is abuse by powerful authority figures, it takes years or decades to break the silence. >> i want to play you a clip from jerry sandusky's attorney. he spoke to cnn early better his client. let's listen to this. >> if you know jerry, they say he is a big kid and he always has been. when he plays with the kids and interacts with them whether it's playing football or wrestling or whatever he's just like a kid. and i think the people that kn

listening to the radio and then to say meet john doe seven and the international squadron. but america was looking forward to was somewhat prosperous christmas unemployment has dipped to about 10% which is the lowest it has been during the administration of franklin roosevelt. they were not thinking about war in the context of american men and women getting involved in the war to make the world safe for democracy had done just the opposite to give rise too very undemocratic institutions in italy, germany, other places. we were well off we believe from two giant notions so be word distinctly isolationist. neutrality from the 1930's including one that prohibited american soldiers from levying north america. that is how we've passed smith holly and other trade acts we're very inward looking and very interested to get interested in the war that is the evening of december smith. >> i think you even mentioned on culture cigarettes were everywhere. [laughter] and advertised everywhere. >> the average american smoked about 2500 cigarettes per year. and people smoked in movies, rest

john: does that leave a security vacuum?think there's no question about it, for two reasons. number one, the united states isn't going to there be to backstop, to set the example of what a democratic military is all about. number two, it leaves the borders open to any type of intrusion by the iranians, particularly in the southeast. so i know the -- the people i talk to, the military people i talk to who are leaving now will tell me it's a job well done, they did a terrific job, they know that the patience of the american people has run out but there's still a lot that could be done that's just not going get done, john. john: general, if we needed to go back in there for any reason, how quickly could we get back in there? >> it's just not going to happen. soldiers in the region will keep forces in kuwait, there will be soldiers off shore, we'll have training missions in other parts of the region but the idea of a large scale say brigade operation or us going back into that occurrence i would say given the political situation

i view as john does, this is an opportunity not a threat. we leadership in the west that we in the west and along the chinese and japanese to exploit to our advantage and hopefully over a year or two, we might see serious changes. >> greta: the country is so nationalistic. they have been gearing up. they have had a famine and starving but in spite of that they have been gearing up for this celebration for the son, the father of the one who just tied. his hundredth birthday. i'm curious, how much of an impact this is going to have that event. >> one more anecdote. we captured a soft defecter that came south in 1993. even though he defected from the north, when we captured him, he still praised the president. it's this mythical, almost religious worship of their leaders. >> greta: they all where emblems on their shirts, of kim il jong and if you don't wear them your neighbor could report you. i've never seen such fervor and such nationalism. >> i believe there is an opportunity to crack the regime from the bottom up if we're patient and take o

if that's the case, we'll get a joan dough john doe search warrant to search the residence. >> just to let you know, someone keeps coming to the window, looking out the window, looking out the window. not sure if they're looking for somebody, expecting a pickup. >> we're just going to go in and sit down this block, back out? >> yes. >> we're in position, facing the house opposite you. you see movement in the far right window from your angle? >> oh. there we go. either he's leaving -- >> yeah, those blinds on the right are definitely shut. >> this is weird. >> 50 miles away on the opposite end of cook county, a different kind of waiting game is playing out in chicago's south suburbs where sheriff's police are on the prowl for dope hustlers and gang members. >> this job takes a lot of pashgs. es special patience. especially when you're on drug dealer time. they don't have any fixed schedules at all. the criminals work 24 hours a day. most of the people that we go after, those are going to be your more aggressive criminals out here. >> what's your stat? >> there's one criminal i talked to

by the ada, the americans with disabilities act and implementing regulations and determined that john doe would pose a direct threat. i want to review from a question and answer document put out by the justice department, by their civil rights division to inform people with the americans with disabilities act. there's a question, "can a public accommodation exclude a person with hiv/aids because that person allegedly poses a direct threat to the health and safety of others? in almost every instance, the answer to this question is no. persons with hiv/aids will rarely, if ever, pose a direct threat in the public. given that, how can you pose there is still a direct threat? >> we are a very unique institution. >> there are hiv children going to schools across the country in boarding schools across the country and living in homes across the country with brothers and sisters. are you saying that hiv-positive children shouldn't be allowed to live in homes with other kids and shouldn't be allowed to date? >> what we're saying is that in our environment, where we have responsibility. not for jus

i think it probably does help. >> newt gingrichs a outside. we will be back, rue mesh, app and johnnly president buried in the national cathedral in the answer, president woodrow wilson, who was born on this day in 1856. every year on december 28th, a military honor gashed lays a wreath at his tomb in the national cathedral. see, this show is educational, it is not just fun. we will be right back with more from our panel. you are watching "the daily rundown," only on msnbc. [ me an] it's easy to see what subaru owners care about. ♪ that's why we created the share the love event. get a great deal on a new subaru and 250 dollars goes to your choice of five charities. ♪ with your help, we can reach 20 million dollars by the end of this, our fourth year. [ female announcer ] get 0 percent apr financing on select models for thirty-six months and we'll donate two-hundred and fifty dollars to your choice of five charities. now through january 3rd. >>> democratic senator ben nelson's decision to retire is giving republicans a golden opportunity to pick up his seat and giving democrats new r

the lawsuit states your client john doe was raped, abused hundreds of times in multiple locations byry sandusky and even out of state ball game. i suppose the obvious question, why did your client keep his silence all these years? >> well, i think that is a fair question. and i think it really requires us to really understand how sexual abuse by authority figures like sandusky coerce silence and secrecy and cause this victim and others like him to believe they're being cared for. to believe it is their fault. so they suffer in silence blaming themselves and believing they won't be believed. so they are afraid. they are confused and they are suffering in shame of usually when there is abuse by powerful authority figures, it takes years or decades to break the silence. >> i want to play you a clip from jerry sandusky's sandusky. he spoke to cnn earlier about his client. >> if you know jerry and what other people have said about jerry, they said he is a big overgrown kid and always has been. whether playing football or wrestling or whatever, he is like a kid. and i think the people who

sharecroppers down to go to i'm sorry if citi and the federal court room is packed with sharecroppers john doe is my lawyer and he leans over to look at me to say why retaking the illiterates down to register to vote? so sharecropper a literacy write-downs through 1963 is the suspect of the right to vote. the country has decided not just the people from mississippi but that a whole people should not be educated. or they should get the sharecropper education. nation have that which meets the horizon of the work that the country has assigned them to do. so now there is another part to the story. a young kid who is 12 years old living in mississippi decides he wants to learn more about something that has happened in his neighborhood. so he investigates this and gives a report to his class. it is a contest and he says he will enter. his teacher and mother encourage him after the report to give to a fraternal organization of the white people and white men in the area. so he does. his report is about sharecroppers who left the plantation to set up something that became known as strike city. this is

. >> john, why does the study of morchingy throwing feces come back to the high wage earneries are taxed. >> and 30,000 to pakistan mango farmers. 13 farmers and the equipment didn't work. what jimu is saying, it is making the numbers do whatever you want to do. take it over a hundred years and call it 8.6 trillion and thousand call it 86 trillion. we borrow 42 cents of every dollar. you have to understand it math wise. if we go back to clinton era rates. we borrow 39 cents was every dollar. it is only 40 billion a year and that money right there doesn't pay the interest on a new annual deficit of. and you have to look at real numbers. and that is giving the rich the tax cut. and take them away from the rich. numbers don't add up. >> get neal in here. neal, i took statistics and we know we can play with the numbers. but you think that senator coburn it is show boating. >> he is called dr. no. he should be dr. nonsense. it is political pandering. the treasury secretary is borrow 125 billion dollars a month. i know that people don't like pancakes for yuppies and a lot of thing to throw sto

. >> the man at the center of the civil suit is 29 years old now and identified only as john doe.one of the eight victims originally identified in a grand jury report. in a written statement, he claims that former penn state coach jerry sandusky assaulted him more than a hundred times between the ages of ten and 14. and threaten the to harm him and his family if he told anyone about it. the only broadcast, sandusky told bob costas, he never abused a child. >> are you denying you had any inappropriate sexual contact with any of these underage boys. >> yes i am. >> the man who filed suit against sandusky, the second mile charity and penn state said it happened repeatedly in the university locker room and on football road trips. he says he chose to come forward now because of the bravery of other victims and the pain he feels about those who may have come after him. doe writes "i am hurting and have been for a long time because of what happened. but feel now even more tormented that i have learned of so many other kids were abused after me." at this point, penn state, the second mile