. >> host: one of the most horrific antedotes is the siege of lono thrks grad and sawing off the leg of her husband to feed the family. it's horror. >> guest: we are now just getting to grips with this. they are not state secrets, but a lot of wonderful material in russia, and i have terrific russian researcher who comes up with wonderful stuff. you are suddenly getting accounts surfacing by russians and what happened to them because after the war, stalin wanted the world to believe that the people had survived their siege through heroism, and, of course, it was not really. i mean, there was some, there was a lot of sparism, but, in fact, they had no choice because anybody who tried to run away or surrender was shot. stalin ran lenongrad, and his officer was the one in the siege who deployed troops behind the front line to shoot down anybody who ran away so that the men in the front line knew, but if they hung in there against the germans, they might get killed, but if they tried to turn around, they would get killed. >> host: the russians killed their own. >> guest: 300,000, that's