mel brooks. >> charlie: i'd forgotten that. >> and he was very insisten that we pt the narrative and had what he called the pinocchio theme which is the reprieve so when the elephan elephant man g to europe or comes back -- it's a very structured film. >> charlie: you have said that when i choose a role i need two things, one, i needo me sure they can do what it's intended to do, you know. that sense than if it's harry potter it's different than elephant man. >> the film needs to stand a chance o the level than was intended. >> charlie: much better than what i said. >> oh, please. and second is it's something i can do individually. >> charlie: you can make it personal. >> yeah. >> charlie: so what did you do there? >> the first one's more important. >> charlie: it is? >> first is more important. >> charlie: if you ask yourself that about "elephant man", what was it intended to do? >> it was very moving. >> charlie: but needed to be different? >> it is a representation of that which is misunderstood in all of us and immediately understandable and it's >> charlie: how did you make it p