mr. peters: mr. chairman, i request the yeas and nays. the chair: the gentleman requests a recorded vote. pursuant to clause 6 of rule 18, further proceedings on the amendment offered by the gentleman from michigan will be postponed. it is now in order to consider amendment number five printed in part a of house report 112-296. for what purpose does the gentlewoman -- does the gentlewoman from texas seek recognition? ms. jackson lee: i have an amendment at the desk. the clerk: the clerk will designate the amendment. the clerk: amendment number five printed in part a of house report 112-296, offered by ms. jackson lee of texas. the chair: the gentlewoman from texas, ms. jackson lee, and a member opposed will each control five minutes. the chair recognizes the yom from texas. ms. jackson lee: thank you, mr. chairman. i'd like to think our colleagues are in their offices communicating with their constituents and doing much of the work we do, writing probably other great ledge slave -- legislative niche tiffs and they are paying attention to

mr. peters to lead the reps in a. test nobody seems to know. that never appropriate to face quite hard the argument that they're being overly dramatic. the u.s. economy is in rough shape unemployment now stands at eight point six percent everyone and i do mean everyone is looking for new ways to make a buck especially banks don't like they need any more but they are trying to find a way to make extra money aside from fees in your checking account your checks your debit cards your transfers you get the picture well now there is some indication that banks want something even more precious than those and lists five dollar fees they want your personal information we've spoken endlessly on the show about the habits of tech companies like google and facebook to encourage users to post as much personal information as possible through emails and social media and then turn it around and sell it to advertisers well they've created a business model out of it now other industries want the huffington post reported that ally financial a major bank now wants

mr. peters don't believe the roughing the. one. testing nobody seems to know. the number of pepper sprayed the face but part of the argument that they're being overly dramatic . to tonight's fireside. our viewers know that we've been covering the occupy movement since day one all the mainstream media originally ignored it then eventually resorted to mockery and ridicule before finally taking it seriously only for a few brief moments after numerous clashes between protesters and police now almost three months since this move began we've seen not only overly aggressive in military actions by the police but also a chilling assault on media coverage of the evictions the first city to try and block press from covering what was happening was new york city under mare michael bloomberg orders so in response we rightly saw outrage from print media outlets we saw the new york times the associated press and others write a strongly worded letter to the police commissioner denouncing not only the blockage of the press but also arrests and the violence displayed by police to

mr. peters to believe the repetition of. what a test nobody seems to know. that never appropriate to face quite hard the argument that they're being overly dramatic. hi guys it's time for tonight's tool time award and once again we're giving it to the grinch i made gingrich the old newt has been gaining popularity by the day amongst conservative voters and a better appeal to a socially conservative following he signed a pledge on the i was social group called the family leader and i guess you can say that this would be a typical step for a g.o.p. candidate trying to win big in the iowa caucuses but this pledge says that newt is forbidden from committing adultery the same pledge is already been signed by rick perry by michele bachmann and by rick santorum because there's one glaring difference between newt and the other candidates new infidelity don't exactly belong in the same sentence he cheated out his first wife with his first major his mistress and filed paperwork for divorce the day after she had surgery for uterine cancer and when he married his first

because i'm laura mr. peter to believe the repetition of. what a test nobody seems to know. that never break the face quite hard the argument that they're being overly dramatic. it's time for you said it i read it take time to respond to my brilliant and engaging viewer comments from facebook twitter and you tube because when you've got something to say i listen now first of all respond to your that watched our story about the f.t. thieve slap on the wrist settlement with facebook last week which didn't actually roll back any of the privacy incursions that facebook has already made hard knuckles that commented on you tube and said there's nothing private about facebook there's nothing private about the internet so don't complain if you want privacy don't post anything on the internet now i would agree with our viewer here that many things we post on the internet are not private but what facebook does that is fundamentally dishonest and illegal is mislead its users about their privacy is the face of markets itself to users as a social network between friends a service that al

i'm flooring mr. peter to believe the repetition of. one. protesting nobody seems to know. the number of pepper spray to face part of the argument that they're being overly dramatic. to tonight's fireside for your. props. this week you spoke at length about the national defense authorization act the appropriations bill that puts more than six hundred billion of more dollars towards defense for the fiscal year of two thousand and twelve and now in itself the deserves questioning never gets it is a bipartisan congress passes that kind of massive spending calamity year and year out but what deserves to be highlighted even more this year in particular is of course a bill that codified into law indefinite military detention even making it legally justifiable in the cases of u.s. citizens there's a lot of nuance here some vague and muddled legal language that's raised a lot of questions things that we discussed with various press this week on the show there's the executive branch's interpretation of the u.n. authorization of military force which essentially already allowed the pr

you take out like malcolm laurie mr. peter still believes the repetition of. what a test nobody seems to know. that never appropriate the face but hardly argument that they're being overly dramatic. well earlier this week we told you about the florida family association a little known christian television watchdog group which called for companies to pull their advertisements from a new show on the learning channel a part series called all-american muslim shows the rest of the world how the u.s. is muslim community in dearborn michigan lives and enjoys being american just like the rest of us. we live our lives like everybody else that's in law enforcement for nineteen years require much like the country music. i really am american there's no ifs ands or buts about it. now despite the theme of the reality show the florida family association thinks that all american muslim is merely propaganda that would encourage americans to overlook muslims radical views tried to sharia law because how dare anybody point out the fact that not all muslims are terrorists and tha

look at the capital account of my lord mr. peter don't believe the repetition of. what a test nobody seems to know. that never appropriate the face but hardly argument that they're being overly dramatic. well as day five of the pretrial hearing for bradley manning in fort meade at this point the government is wrapping up its case against the army private prosecution exit expected to call six more witnesses before turning over the stand of a defense which plans to only call three of its own witnesses and once both sides wrap up a military officer will determine if manning should be recommended for a court martial but before those closing arguments are made still a lot of material that the jury needs to review as you mentioned yesterday two witnesses invoke their right not to testify meanwhile chat logs between manning and hacker adrian lamo were discovered on the accused laptop and limo actually took the stand today to confirm his conversations with the army private and the government is also present evidence of manning chatting with a user named julian a sauna and

mr. peters of michigan. the chair: a recorded vote has been requested. those in support of the request for a recorded vote will rise and be counted. a sufficient number having arisen, a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a two-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the chair: on this vote the yeas are 178. the chair: on this vote the yeas are 179. the nays are 243. the amendment is not adopted. the speaker pro tempore: the amendment is not adopted. the unfinished business the request for a recorded vote on amendment number 5 printed in house report 112-296 by ms. jackson lee on which further proceedings were postponed and the yeas prevailed by a voice vote. the clerk: amendment number 5 printed in house report 112-296 offered by ms.

mr. mayor peter i am the ceo of title games. it is an honor to have you and everybody here today to welcome you to our new home. also, today is a very great day that we're celebrating, we closed our latest round of financing of $10 million, which is an exciting milestone for our company. it is a startup founded on a simple principle that quality, creativity, and originality rules all. to us, quality and creativity is reflected in the art, technology, and the entertainment that we craft. our goal is nothing short of revolution many facebook games, but to achieve this, we require the right people and the right environment. when thinking about where to establish our headquarters, our top two concerns were the ability to find top talent and the desire to surround ourselves with like-minded companies. simply put, san francisco is the nexus of technology and creativity. creative individuals, be they engineers or artists, love living and working in san francisco. what is more to recruit -- recruiting talent from neighboring counties, l

peter noone: thank you it's nice to be here. denise richardson: ok so. i'm in, "i'm into something good," "mrs. lovely daughter," great little story there. peter: well "mrs. brown," "i'm into something good," was my first song when i was 16. i went into the studio and made a record and i and i think it was a pretty good record. i was in my first band when i was 13 which is pretty embarrassing which was in 1961. when i am on stage i actually think i'm 17 i have to jump into the 17 year old person. i have the energy of a 17 year old boy and the stories "mrs. brown you've got a lovely daughter," is a story about a young man talking to somebody's mom. denise richardson: well the good this is your still gonna' be with us and i have to throw this to tj and i don't want to 'cause i love you so much. peter noone: throw this at him as well it's full of cds. denise richardson: take it away tj. tj lubinsky: oh, that's ok its, "henry the 8th" sorry. listen it's very, very important you call right now and the thing i love about peter noone and his music is the connection is real. that's something you can't

. >> mr. peterlilley. >> would my right honorable friend agree that the best way to increase one's influence within europe and, indeed, within a coalition government, is to set out once position and stick to it? >> question, i do find it surprising that before going to brussels that is exactly what is going to do, and what i would do if i couldn't get the safeguards, i did exactly what i said i was going to do. but apparently in politics these days that's very surprising. >> minister nick brown. [inaudible] >> i'm afraid i missed the beginning of his question. >> the right honorable gentleman wish to say it against the? [inaudible] financial services apply in the united kingdom? >> yes. >> mr. andrew tyrie. [inaudible] to protect the 1.3 million jobs? [shouting] >> will the prime minister confirm that the currency you -- this proposal for bank regulation, so-called maximum harmonization could prevent us from implement the conclusions of the biggest commission to make our banks safer? spent my honora

(laughs) (peter) mr. kaiser, we're, uh, investigating the murder of daniel davidson.mind if we ask you a few questions? sure. what do you want to know? uh, uh, we understand that relationships on the cul-de-sac were... complex. that's personal. what does that have to do with daniel? well, a lot, actually, if you were sleeping with each other's wives. we heard from one of your neighbors that it might have broken up your marriage. i, uh... i realized i was having feelings for andrea. unfortunately, my wife realized first. that sounds like motive to me. your wife leaves you, and the only thing standing between you and andrea is her husband? no. that's not it at all. you mind if i have a look around your garage? it's fine. okay. so... um... yeah? never mind. (elevator bell dings) i'm just saying, it's been too long since i've had total mind-blowing sex. not right now, thanks. i got a caffeine headache. no red shop towels or brake cleaner laying around. then again, i don't imagine he'd keep them after a murder. why just limit it to him? it takes two to tango. or three or..

just moments ago as the judge was rendering the sentence, he said the following, judge peters said mr. johnson you were elected to do good, not to line your pockets. he called the bribery and obstruction of justice scheme that johnson pled guilty to a severe crime. so, again, it's seven years and three months for jack johnson along with a $100,000 fine and three years of probation. he'll be going to jail sometime in january. we do expect to hear from johnson or his defense team and the prosecutors as well as courtroom observers and friends of johnson as they leave the courtroom. so we'll have that for you as soon as we get it. for now, reporting live at the greenbelt federal court house, scott broom, 9news now. >> scott, before you leave, do we know whether jack johnson will have to serve the full seven years and three months or can he get out earlier? >>> under the federal system, you serve what you're given. they have already determined the probation as three years after he's released. >> okay. thank you very much. scott broom reporting live from greenbelt. >>> we're going to take a

mr. peters: let's be clear, these efforts are about one thing and one thing only, silencing voters. american is a beacon of democracy and to limit voter access is hypocritical and wrong. madam speaker, i don't have to tell you about the shameful times in america's history where power and intimidation were used to prevent americans from voting. we must learn from our past, fight voter suppression efforts in the courts, in state legislatures, here in washington and most importantly on election day. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlelady from hawaii rise? >> to address the house for one minute and to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized. le ms. hanabusa: thank you, madam speaker. december 7, 1941, a day which will live in infamy. words of president roosevelt -- i represent peril harbor. on this day, let us not forget the brave people who gave their lives at pearl harbor. on this day let us not forget this act of unprovoked dastardly aggression which propelled us into a war. on this day let us not forget

mr. peters: the average time it takes for an unemployed worker to find a new job is 10 months. instead of passing the american jobs act and getting our nation's long-term unemployed back to work, republicans are cutting benefits which millions of americans rely on for groceries, utilities and rent. it would hurt workers finding difficulty finding a new job and pulling billions out of economy. poverty is at the highest level since 1993 and unemployed benefits kept over three million americans, including one million children, out of poverty in 2010. and now republicans are fighting to gut this necessary plifeline. during this holiday season when millions of americans are worried about being able to pay their rent, i urge my colleagues to oppose slashing unemployment benefits. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentlelady from maryland rise? ms. edwards: i ask permission to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentlelady is recognized for one minute. ms. edwards: mr. speake

. >> mr. peterley. >> would my right honorable friend agree that the best way to increase one's influence within europe and, indeed, within a coalition government, is to set out once position and stick to it? >> question, i do find it surprising that before going to brussels that is exactly what is going to do, and what i would do if i couldn't get the safeguards, i did exactly what i said i was going to do. but apparently in politics these days that's very surprising. >> minister nick brown. [inaudible] >> i'm afraid i missed the beginning of his question. >> the right honorable gentleman wish to say it against the? [inaudible] financial services apply in the united kingdom? >> yes. >> mr. andrew tyrie. [inaudible] to protect the 1.3 million jobs? [shouting] >> will the prime minister confirm that the currency you -- this proposal for bank regulation, so-called maximum harmonization could prevent us from implement the conclusions of the biggest commission to make our banks safer? spent my honorable

mr. baldwin? >> "travel" editor peter greenberg thinks about that and here with some advice.long time in the making. people used to dress like i do with a suit and jacket and tie. now you see people thrown off the plane wearing baggy pants below their butt or not wearing thongs or wearing thongs. there is no dress code and supreme court tried to define pornography they can't define it but know it when they see it. right now a little bit of a movement to come up with a uniform dress code. i don't think it's going to happen and the problem it's up to individual flight crews or gate agents to determine if it's appropriate. >> that kind of enforcement you have so many different employees having to look at that, not easy for any company to do. >> not at all. >> however there are things happening this year not happy for people. one of the things is we have all seen all of the checked luggage kne fees? right? one airline after another you will see they will start weighing the carry-on bags! and one airline hawaiian says if it weighs more than 25 pounds they will charge you. you have

mr. slattery writes, in an instant i lost my wife, and peter and matthew had emergency surgery. following the impact with our car, the truck went on to hit two other semis and four more passenger vehicles before stopping in the divider and bursting into flames. the weeks following the crash were juggling surgeries and meeting with funeral directors, always insuring someone was by peter and matthew's side. after about a month, the boys were stable enough to return to baltimore where we began dealing with the long-term effects of the crash including the loss of my wife, susan. peter was conscious and being move today a helicopter when he overheard the paramedics pronounce his mother dead. the long-term psychological effects are yet to be determined. matthew was in a coma for massive head trauma but is permanently disabled and requires round-the-clock care. our lives will never be the same, but i can work to reduce truck driver fatigue so another family will not have to suffer the tremendous loss my family lives with every single day. the proposed rule would reduce costs to society

mr. cain has no plans to endorse any republican candidate. >> peter, thank you. >>> while the romney campaign likes its chances in iowa, the wild card continues to be ron paul. he's got momentum, organization and a fiercely loyal base of supporters. our chief white house correspondent and political director chuck todd is traveling with the paul campaign today. he joins us now from atlantic iowa. chuck? >> reporter: good evening, harry. when it comes to ron paul there are two key questions. one, can e he widen his appeal among widestrem republicans and not just the closet libertarians in the party? and two, does he have the infrastructure or is this a howard dean ruse from 2004 to catapult him? at the core of ron paul's strength in iowa, devote followers like these. joe stone made some 200 calls last night for the campaign and drove four hours from his minneapolis home to catch a glimpse of his little bit kol hero. >> i have never seen him and he's one of the only people i want to meet before i die. >> reporter: nick hofstetter turns 18 next year in time oh cast his first vote. he's volunteeri

our nation will be forever indebted to specialist peter navarro. mr. speaker, i ask that my colleagues join me today in honoring peter. vote yes on house resolution 3246. i yield back. mr. clay: we reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from reserves. the gentleman from missouri is recognized. mr. clay: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. clay: mr. speaker, on behalf of the democratic members of the house committee on oversight and government reform, i stand in support of the consideration of h.r. 3246. this bill designates the facility of the u.s. postal service located at 15455 manchester road in ballwin, missouri, as the specialist peter j. navarro post office building. the measure before us was first introduced by my friend and colleague, representative todd ache ever of missouri, on october -- akin of missouri, on october 24, 2011. in accordance with committee requirements, the entire missouri delegation serves as co-sponsors to

prosperous country through the paula says of glasnost and perestroika back to peter that's what russians think about the legacy of mr gorbachev well our sophie shevardnadze interviewed mr gorbachev and this is what he said to her about what he thinks his legacy is. i think it is united world. to be more precise a world were split over. the world free of ideological struggle. but you have to put this is perhaps the most important creating necessary pre-requisites conditions to move them. ok stephen you heard that ok you know and you know which i think strain lee well and i would say you know get you both are friends. do you think he's being fair to himself you think fair to reality when his seventy fifth birthday five years ago he had a conference and i gave i gave a paper called there is a new cold war and he became very angry at me because he considers his great achievement certain achievement the ending of the last cold war so there's a new cold war something went wrong the fact is something went wrong after nine hundred ninety one now we can have a whole separate program but remember the soviet union ended twenty

mrs. davis ] i want to find a way to break through. to make science as exciting as a video game. i need to reach peter, who's falling behind. and push janet who's 6 chapters ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] with interactive learning solutions from dell, mrs. davis can make education a little more personal. so every student feels like her only student. dell. the power to do more. some thoughts on this day of love that came to me after waiting on a plane at the orlando airport. i had a dream the other night about what heaven's gate might be like. it was like an airport boarding planes, yes, the pearly gates had two lanes. first class to the left. everyone else on the right. in that first class lane, some i hadn't seen before. no old school ties. some downright poor. like the widow who gave her last mite to one who needed it more. oh, they waved her right through the first class door. with a man who turned the other cheek and the woman who forgave a thief and the fellow who stooped to help a child who had no food to eat. i didn't see a bold-faceded name or those that hunger after fame but the gate keeper knew all their faces. he was

mrs. davis ] i want to find a way to break through. to make science as exciting as a video game. i need to reach peter, who's falling behind. and push janet who's 6 chapters ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] with interactive learning solutions from dell, mrs. davis can make education a little more personal. so every student feels like her only student. dell. the power to do more. some thoughts on this day of love that came to me after waiting on a plane at the orlando airport. i had a dream the other night about what heaven's gate might be like. it was like an airport boarding planes, yes, the pearly gates had two lanes. first class to the left. everyone else on the right. in that first class lane, some i hadn't seen before. no old school ties. some downright poor. like the widow who gave her last mite to one who needed it more. oh, they waved her right through the first class door. with a man who turned the other cheek and the woman who forgave a thief and the fellow who stooped to help a child who had no food to eat. i didn't see a bold-faceded name or those that hunger after fame but the gate keeper knew all their faces. he was

well because we know over to you now so what were the highlights of mr medvedev address on the when i was listening to what you and peter were saying and indeed probably those who expected that these final address of that mission that that as the president would look like it's bearable speech were disappointed because it rather looked like a long to do list of first of all political establishment had been looking at the year was looking at that speech what was this to what metric that exactly is going to change how he's going to form the country's political system. russia needs democracy but if sir but the russian leadership will not allow whistle blowers and the stream it's full russian society into shady undertaking it will not tolerate foreign interference in russia's domestic affairs the main thing which mitchum it but if said in response to mass protests which took place in different cities across the country holding the december or parliamentary elections. people's right to express their opinion by all legitimacy means is guaranteed when you attempt to manipulate the people of russia deceive them to instigate soci

mr. speaker, yesterday peter izberg president of the national payroll reporting consortium ink expressed concern over the senate proposed payroll tax plan which offers only a two-month extension instead of the year-long extension passed last week by the house. in a letter written to several members of congress on both sides of the aisle, he stated that, quote, insufficient lead time to create substantial problems, confusion, and cost. affecting a significant percentage of u.s. employers and employees. end of quote. house republicans are willing to work for one year-long extension now instead of passing a two-month fix that will confuse the american taxpayers, medical providers, and small business owners. it is necessary for both houses of congress to work together to extend the payroll tax cut for a full year. at a time of continued record unemployment, we should be working to help small businesses create jobs. in conclusion, god bless our troops, and we will never forget september 11 and the global war on terrorism. we are grateful for our service members' military families and veterans

peter jennings said i've got an idea. let's forget the debate rules, let's just say, mr. bush, mr. dukakis, go at it with no rules, nothing. and i was stunned. and i got very self-righteous, all of that, i said, oh, peter, we can't do that. we're honor-bound, we agreed to do this and this and this and whatever. i didn't know what we were going to do. fortunately, annie and john agreed with me, and so anyhow, we had, we outvoted him. we didn't really vote, but we -- there were, the majority, majority ruled, and peter went on and all of that. but we, and we followed the rules and all that. but i must say, it was spooky for me and scary, and can it's been scary ever since. >> host: mr. lehrer, you've become the singular moderator for several of the most recent debates. how did that come about? >> guest: well, in many cases it was simply they couldn't agree on anybody else. and in one case, in fact, it was 1992, i had agreed to do the first clinton debate, and then they were going to have some other moderators do the other ones. and i got a call, i was then at williams burg doing someth

mr paul from there for this one as well. after much frustration it finally seems as though peter might be able to stand his attempt to kite surfer across the gulf of finland but with the conditions that hindered him up till now and even now in what was his latest efforts the elements were once again proving to be unfavorable as a distinct lack of wind was always going to prove a problem however he made a promising start and in what seemed no time at all he was already miles away from a stone in coastline and his coach aleksey was pleased with his progress a quarter of the way through the eighty kilometer journey with the shadow of the wind this pretty quiet now but according to forecast should pick up at once we get closer to filling up with a lack of wind continue to cause pita problems so much so he fell into the water as there wasn't enough wind to keep his kind airborne however he was soon back on his board as a finished coast line which is also his finishing line through ever close this hole challenger is a completely new experience for the twenty four year old russian he may be a world champion kite surfer but normally he'

next hour peter earl of value and his guest will be assessing what's next for north korea under mr. i don't think anybody would be prepared to take over north korea at this point given the state of its economy. in general instability i would say in the country owing to the economic instability. brothers were not interested in the job i think it's tough for anybody to take a position much less someone in their late twenty's the young kim's uncle is going to act as regent you know in the medieval days or used to when the king died in the prince wasn't quite ready there would be the regent to sort of god and mentor him but there itself raised certain questions will there be tension between the regent and the young kim what will or will the military take going forward i. kept a day's top stories for you after the latest business news with kate. hello and welcome to the business program more details have emerged about the possible sell of russia's largest. the fed the most news paper of policy and it's one four to five billion dollars to one hundred percent of the show as of the most. on

peter herley who is now acting as police consultant. he is the former chief of police of tiburon and the former president of the california police officers association. next to mr. herley is sharon wu, the chief assistant of operations in the district attorney's office. she oversees the criminal division, including the victim witness program and the alternative dispute courts. anne irwin is an attorney in the public defender's office. ms. irwin was recently involved in several of the cases involving the videotaped evidence which resulted in the dismissal of over 90 cases. you've read about those in the newspaper. and finally, we have civil rights attorney john burress. he specializes in civil actions brought against police officers for abuse of power, brutality, and wrongful death. let me remind the audience that we will have a brief q&a at the end. if you want to ask a question, just raise your hand. you'll get a card from the usher. and you can ask your question. and if you would like to address it to a particular panel member, you can do that as. i believe we are going to have a video now. it is movie time. >> this was recorded on a cellular phone by a witne

peter directed this, did this video. >> what's the movie with the fox? the fantastic mr. fox? >> yes. >> with george clooney. >> it was a george clooney called "the fantastic mr. fox." >> i wonder how much time it took him to do this. >> wonder away, nick, wonder. >>> you see a lot of trick and stunt videos on this show. sometimes on skateboards or bikes, motorcycles this one's on a different set of wheels. two guys performing some pretty crazy stunts on wheelchairs. this is team finnish power made up of two guys, henry manni and alexi kirjonin and these guys are showing gt they're actually paraplegics. they're in these chairs every day of their lives. this guy is on the parallel bars. he's lifting his body weight plus the chair. >> these guys are incredible athletes. >> they're pulling their feet. >> how tough was it to climb the rope back in gym class? it was really hard. these guys are climbing a rope in their wheelchair. look at that. >> and the trick to climbing the rope is wrapping the rope around your leg. using your feet to hold you. >> that's even tougher. >> that is