markets are far less dependent on rating agencies and that means we need to add in my opinion the n r s r o system we need to make these ratings stand for themselves and of course there are several regencies and even jones is a well known agency that still uses a subscriber model and oddly enough even judges been more aggressive than the other agencies in terms of downgrading sovereign debt and of course you can judge was also one of the agencies the court won't comment enron so again these agencies have had a horrible track record but at the end of the day i think what we need to do is remove the regulatory reliance on them and treat them as what they truly are simply somebodies opinion ok you know i mean there's profit involved here and so and i was looking at some of the research done on these companies and everything almost the first thing they always say you know what what your goal is to make money ok it's not to be right it's to make money go ahead gary yeah. again i agree with much of what the first two commentators have said but there. there is a lot of misunderstanding about the r

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