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joining me at the table, richard haass, and robin wright. senior fellow of the u.s.nstitute of peace and author of rock the casbah -- rage and rebellion across the islamic world. there are elections going on right now. political islam is riding to the front, is that something that's potentially scary. >> i wouldn't use the phrase arab spring. spring is good. second of all, i don't think it's fair to say democracy that is sprouting. we have seen some overthrown of authoritarian regimes. we don't have checks and balances. we'll only know if we have democracy years if not decades forward. >> that's the pessimistic viewpoint. but political islam was bound to be the first. >> the arab uprisings are the story in the early 21st century inspe i think the two trends of the next decade, for us on the west, one will be this burden of demand of end of corruption and the use of islam. i'm not sure it's always scary. i the with have seen the whole new islamic spectrum. you have groups, the hard-lines who follow the ideology of saudi arabia. and others who have renounced violence.

joining me at the table, richard haass, and robin wright. senior fellow of the u.s.nstitute of peace and author of the new book "rock the casbah, rage and rebellion across the islamic world." thank you for being here. let's go into what has excited everyone, the arab spring. there are elections going on right now. political islam is riding to the for, is that something necessarily really scary, richard? >> potentially. i would disagree with two things you said, if i may. i wouldn't use the phrase arab spring. spring lasts for three months. this will last for three decades. springs are good. this may not be. i don't think it's fair to say democracy is sprouting. wave seen the overstloe of authoritarian regimes. we don't have the basic of democracy. we don't have civil society, constitutionalism, we don't have checks and balances. we will only know if we have democracy years. >> so that's a pessimistic view. >> maybe. >> political islam was bound to be the first, wasn't it? >> i think first of all, the arab uprising the important story of the early 21st century in term

number one, i think a call back, i think this guy's name was richard and he was talking about jeremiah wright and all these other people connected, so he say to the president. i just want to ask you how come guys won't have a segment where you talk about the fact that there is an article, recent poll that came out that showed that any viewer, mainly these republicans who are watching it, but the viewers of fox news are dumber than anybody who doesn't watch news at all. so it's almost like no news is good news. the people who are getting their information from fox news, rush limbaugh, they are being so dumbed down by all these word smithers, the lies that come out. when you hear them on the "washington journal," most of the stuff that the republicans are spewing out in the morning is totally false. and let me give you one example. there was a man who just called in who had said that president obama was fighting to have laws where americans would be jailed? he got that screwed. it's the opposite. that's why president obama said he was going to veto that mr. republican! he's vetoing the fact tha

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