. >> how did james jones to for president obama and tom donnelly? the ann jones appointment is a puzzle. i'm sure if you could get inside the president's mind he would explain why he voted james jones and there's a whole the reason. a senior retired marine general which secretary by refusing to be considered as the joint chiefs under donald rumsfeld because he thought correctly if donald rumsfeld who was charged w. bush's defense secretary with people down and not showing strength in terms of their own positions. rumsfeld is one of these people that gained power but everybody else. this the same george bundy used to get powered by enhancing other people and so they would work together. anyway, -- >> how did general john -- >> okay. obama found himself not involved in the national security and if he did he wanted to see a senior person dealing with the secretary and he wasn't particularly strong. avaya still. somebody appointed a cabinet positions but he was already waiting to come to him rather than being street he was the one and so he wasn't -- th