he said there's only one guy we could talk to the could probably turn this around is tony fauci out there in georgetown. i was in chicago and i'm going home. just go there to him and he will sort it out. [laughter] >> right. so we are right. eventually got through to tony and tony answer the phone and he says hi. tony fauci, what's the problem? we really need to talk him no, no. , i'm happy to talk him anytime. it's about the size, people are disputing it. we really need to talk. well, we need to talk sort of now. you mean physically? i'm home. might kids are doing homework. where are you? i said i'm outside. [laughter] he made us dinner, came income kids are doing their homework. irish rock star is in your face. [laughter] that guy is a proper hero. [applause] >> we need two hours just to hear all the bono stories. doctor patricia, i want to give the last word. and again, in part because a lot of what we talk about with all due respect a lot of people is theoretical. you are someone who's been on the front lines for some time. your thoughts, your reflections? >> italy to the beginning of

tony fauci of nih and i'm getting his advice of that balancing. >> because we are talking again aboutirus, nathan, that potentially kills people and spreads through the air more quickly, something that the h5n1 that you and i studied in the past could not do, at the heart of that, do you believe whether it's in the lab documents or published studies, whatever, does it need to be out there? do labs like yours need to be able to see this to help combat a potential pandemic? >> look, what we do at global viral forecasting, a number of our partners do, we do surveillance. biological surveillance around the world trying to detect pandemics before they occur. clearly understanding what particular elements of a virus can cause it to spread, cause it to be deadly are very, very pivotal to us. we're sitting with hundreds of thousands of specimens and part of our challenge, how do we go through the specimens when we see an outbreak occurring in the field, how do we know whether it's going to spread. and there is a very important element. you are talking about really sort of this careful balance