before he went over to the treasury departmenn. that was my role model.ut i served with phenomenal personalities as petroika, jim baker, howard baker, ken, sam skinner,,jim baker again. i tried do a good job. i tell you, it is a challenging job. >> you at least sympathize. >> i have empathy. >> not sympathy. >> romney or perry? >> i'm straddling the fence. i will celebrate the republican nominee. i'm a republican and will they're all 35 or older and bu borr in the united states. [laaghter] >> who is qualified, that is -- >> not endorsing. >> you're a new englaader on the one hand -- [inaudible, multiple people speaking] >> rooted in massachusetts, proud resident of aggie land right now. love texas a&m university and the bush school. >> you won't pick? made by governor perry in the last presidential election which he was campaigning against mayor giulianii he was heard to say on this is pointed to as the root of the tension between the perry folks and the bush folks. would you comment about that? do you think bush was a fiscal conservative? >> i think he w