the movement to help bring about real change in the way that our system works so can the alternative banking group help this movement offer up some concrete demands joining me to discuss this is carne ross founder and director of independent diplomat a nonprofit diplomatic advisory group and he's also the author of the book at the leaderless revolution and the founder of the alternative banking group for occupy wall street part i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and if you can first start by just telling us how many are there of you in this alternative banking group in terms of bankers and traders and lawyers and what not well thanks for having me on this course a lot i would say several school people who turn up to the meetings there's now two sub groups one of which addresses legislation to reform the current system and one of which is trying to imagine and set up a new kind of bank and this question a lot more who participated online and take part in the meetings by telephone conferences quite a lot of people so why do want to start this group. and i think the idea is that for m

now and i'm going to speak to the founder of the alternative banking group fifty hp saying the occupy movement isn't offering any real solutions while this group of bankers and traders and lawyers they want to help but how are they being received then glenn greenwald joins us to discuss the notion that america supports democracy in the arab world we've heard a million times.