[laughter] >> general chiarelli.on to the doctor i think it's important those listening on the webinar so i'm going to go out of order here. dr. harrell, where are we on the numbers? why is there this disagreement so that maybe even if we're just talking about a different set at least everyone is on the same page? >> it's a great question. 'cause the numbers are tricky. so the number that i cited is the active duty number. that includes active component personnel but it also includes guard and reserve personnel that were activated at the time. >> what numbers? >> the 295. >> that's not correct. >> well, let me speak to that for a moment because it matters literally what day of the week a reserve or guardsman dies by suicide. that affects which number he's counted as. the numbers also shift as investigations occur and past events are resolved into suicide or not suicide events. the numbers change a lot. it's important to assess that. i think we agree in many ways -- i think one way that i do disagree is i think we're

stuff he knows his stuff to visit my pleasure to introduce the next speaker, the honorable charles chiarelli me to be here and i can't thank you enough. general petraeus to say introductions like that my mother and father are also looking down on us today and i can tell you they are gloating. especially my mother who does believe that and probably help you write it somehow. i would like to recognize an old schoolmate who is a member of the organization and is a another south carolinian who has done an incredibly well. i want to thank who've been the host i want to acknowledge the presence of mrs. davis, margaret davis because of all the special work she does with the marine corps scholarship foundation and other programs that take care of our military kids and families. so margaret, thanks for coming out. [applause] are they do have to say is an honor for me to share the podium this morning with such distinguished company as general petraeus and mr. o'hanlon, and i feel somewhat out of place, but hopefully by the time i finish making my remarks you will understand why i think it is appropria

let me just list you have the clich chiarelli allen. this charlie allen here? zoe baird, who i know is here. stewart baker. richard ben best day. p. jay crowley. steve had lee, brian jenkins all the way from california, michael liter who was a marvelous head of the national counterterrorism center and poppa to be. stuart levy. jim hooley, paul mchale in the united states congress. bill mudd. eric olson. marin strameki. guy swan. evan wolfe. gary hart, former senator gary hart, a good friend and member of the group here from colorado, and the director former homeland security inspector general corker -- clarke ervin. we're pleased to partner with the aspen institute for this discussion we have held with homeland secretary janet napolitano. today we are examining the international dimension of homeland security. huh? most people of recognize what an important role the homeland security please internationally as a recovering politician as i mentioned who sat on the house homeland security committee and chaired the subcommittee on intelligence for many years i do k