and again, jeff skilling is the one in the jail cell. >> do you have a comment on that, john? agree. jeff stalin is -- and will be for 24 years and four months. he still has his appeal going. though it is getting grimmer and grimmer as far as chances of getting out. he is not due for release's and the court decision for 10 or 15 years may be. this coming december he will be in five years. >> and andy fastow? >> andy fastow is -- he got very lucky. he cut a deal with the government to cooperate after waiting a while -- long enough to get indicted and put in prison for a year. he cut a deal and took ten year prison sentence that was supposedly not reducible. jenne judge felt sorry for him, felt he had been badly treated. so he gave him six years. so i think andy fastow is now -- he is in a halfway house or just about out, usually after six months in federal prison they send you to a halfway house to transition back into this community. so andy fastow has never talked to anybody in the press. certainly didn't talk to me. i don't know what his plans are. i think he is still marrie

had spent a year covering enron and i was thinking everyday for that year i was thinking about jeff skilling and cooking the books and all that stuff and finally i found something this is an exciting city, much more modern than i thought it was. everyone i met on that first trip sort of told me about the dynamism of china and so they were smart, they were energetic, they looked good, the city was beautiful, we went out for good food and indeed it would be quite easy to live in china. that's what i was thinking, it would be such a hardship to live in china so i thought this has not only the social part of it personally for me, i was single at the time still, but also professionally i thought this is... if you want to cover business, this is the story. of course, there wasn't a story today but it was becoming a story. >> rose: but beyond what we're talking about is t economy and what's happening and its impact on the world. what's the cultural dynamism there? >> i think across the different areas, when you're talking about business or culture or... you can feel the energy when you're in china.

compared this process to a deck cathalon because you are testing different skills of the athlete, but the down side though of this, jeff, is it can be very flukish, i mean, there is essentially been a campaign in the iowa caucus that has now been a year for one state, that is a little disproportionate as much as i love iowa, and so the result is that one of these early tests like iowa or new hampshire, for instance, 1976, gerald ford had gotten a few hundred fewer votes in that primary there is a very good chance ronald ronald reagan would have been nominated that year, there is even argument that perhaps these tests should be closer together and perhaps on a few days rather than spread across three or four months. >> jeff stein, i am going assume you love iowa. do you find it flukish to some degree? >> if you take it from the national perspective, perhaps, but what iowa tends to do is truly hone in on individuals, and we have the opportunity to view them up close, and the comparison to a deck cathalon i think is right on point .. because the skills you need to do well here are not necessarily the skills you need to do