you know, madam chairlady, when the early 1960's was there and i marched from selma to birmingham, alabama, it was 54 miles. but quite honestly, i don't know whether i've admitted this publicly or not, but i had no idea that i was going to march 54 miles. i thought i could go down, have my picture taken and come back and say i was with andy young and john lewis and ralph bunch and dr. king. but somehow i got caught up in it and i was cussing every step of the way wondering, how did i get caught up walking through all of these dark streets and being insulted? but much later when i heard linden johnson say that word, that theme that had directed us emotionally and patriotically, that we shall overcome, i felt so proud, notwithstanding my lack of knowledge of the importance of the issue, that i did march. when i found out that the civil rights act and the voting rights act, that it wasn't just something that made nye norths feel good, it made americans feel good and the ripple effect of this throughout the world we were able to say, see, we told you. that in the united states it's not what we