sure there is a strong mood in the house of representatives to cut defense, if you look at the buck mckeeonan to save the department of defense from sequester he only has 25 cosponsors out of the house of representatives when you talk to him he is personally worried they may not vote with him if he tries to add money to defense i can see some of those people in an election year going home and saying i am voting even to cut bases maybe doing it before it happens but i can see the move between now and the election is to at least pretend to be serious about cutting. >> let's go to the cutting deeply thing everybody who gave the briefings last week, secretary panetta, chairman dempsey and deputy secretary carter, kept stressing, that this is a carefully consorted, overall plan, let's not cut any more deeply than this. but and even though publicly everybody says there is no other back up plan, everybody is riding on this. publicly they tell you they have been burning late nights trying to figure out the second, third, fourth order wax what are those going to look like todd. >> yeah -- >> what el