moses annenberg is the editor of the "philadelphia enquirer" and it threatens to bring pennsylvania into the republican column and you go back to annenberg with an irs audit who is vulnerable. he doesn't just pay a fine. to go see prison. then johnson is guilty of all sorts of campaign contributions and especially some of his supporters so the irs is going after johnson, too, and so johnson comes to roosevelt. so roosevelt has to pull the irs off of johnson so that he can continue to be roosevelt's man in texas. and then put it on annenberg to make sure annenberg goes to application so you have a maneuvering here by fdr. and he did pull both of those off. so he was someone who you're dealing with at the executive branch could be very powerful. >> yes, in the back. >> were you both united in the way that you viewed economic relations or the lack of economic relations between the united states and japan leading up to world war ii? and how surprised do you both believe the united states was by the attack on pearl harbor? >> i think we were pretty united in our view on that. and that is some