scooter testified that he told me about valerie plame. he was put on on trial because he claimed he didn't talk about valerie plame with other people. however, in my case, he testified he did tell me about valerie plame. >> you say he didn't? >> write. >> go back to off the record versus on background. >> yes, for most people that is confusing. >> explain what it is and why would scooter libby be confused about those two or would he? >> well, yeah, scooter told me after my testimony what he said off the record he meant off the record. >> so what is the difference between off the record and -- >> well, to explain, on the record means you know i could quote you. brian lamb said such and such. on background means i could say, an executive at c-span told me such and such. then there is a phrase "deep background," which i wouldn't be any quotation marks there. officials at c-span say such and such. off the record would mean i couldn't write a thing, i might know what is going on at c-span, but i couldn't use any of that information. so i think