edmond gibbon? >> yes, sorry. are there any others? (laughter) >> rose: too many ways to go with that. (laughter) >> he would say... the terms of the conversation fundamentally changed twice, right? in 1933 when f.d.r. made government part of... a permanent part of the landscape and the conversation and ratified in '53 when eisenhower didn't push to repeal it but decided we were going to manage this thing, not repeal it back. then 1981 when reagan makes the private... pushes the private sect orbach into a center place in the conversation. and that period ended and was ratified and when president clinton said "the era is a big government is over." i would argue that therefore roosevelt, f.d.r. and reagan were the great term setters of the last 100 years. and we have not had anyone else. no one has changed it again and whether obama does or not it seems unlikely to me at this point. >> one of the obstacles president obama has had to face is that lack of faith in the government which was building ever since reagan changed the terms of the debate. and he came in, we thought, in an activist era, that government was going to be able to do a lot even before the economic cr