fred kemp in the front row. >> general, thank you very much for that excellent presentation, and for joining us at the atlantic council. two related questions. one is, couldn't one argue, and why doesn't one argue, that the ultimate responsibility to protect civilians in a situation where a dictator is leading a regime to kill them is regime change? you seem to be dancing around this. so, so, so is that not part of the responsibility to protect? and how did you interpret that? and what kind of discussions were there about that? related -- were there not a russian and chinese veto at the security council, if that had not come about and you were tasked with the responsibility to protect chore for syria what questions would you be asking from the experience that you've had in libya? >> thank you. the first on the regime change, it's been a discussion all along. but really, what my sense, and my understanding of the situation was, the world wanted this dictator to stop killing his people. his people wanted democracy, wanted to establish themselves in a different approach, and the world s

i'm fred kempe him a president and ceo of the atlantic council. we were just sitting briefly with general bouchard, decided the title of this event should be liberating libya commanders perspective. there were more colorful titles we came up with but they essentially encapsulated the difficulty, a leading complicated alliance operation of this sort, and ultimately the success in working that through. we are happy to have lieutenant governor -- excuse me. i already, i was already looking to your next career. lieutenant general charles bouchard, who served as commander of nato military operations in libya. it's a great honor to have you with us. you did play a very important role in the recent history of the alliance. it was last february when the u.n. security council condemned the use of lethal force by moammar gadhafi against protesters in libya. on march 25, 2011, general bouchard assume the role of commander combined joint task force operation unified protector. if you just think of the time that was involved from the beginning, u.n. security c