so after years of debate, i think it took six years, goldwater/nichols was passed. every service chief testified under oath. every service secretary the same. the secretary of defense was against it. it was passed and president reagan signed it in 1986. we had a little dustup called desert shield, desert storm. i got to be a front row observer. the law was passed and said that if you fight, you only fight in a joint force. so make it the law the land. second, if you all expire to be generals and admirals, can you not be a general or admiral until you have joint certification, everything changed. okayme okay. we had the first gulf war. i got to go with the service chiefs on the hill, under oath, goldwat goldwater/nichols sbest thing that happened to the department of defense. it forced collaboration, information share ing and it changed attitudes and behavior. i think information sharing is the key. but the current draft, while i applaud them, they don't go far enough to require it in two dimensions. require it in law. and reward it because you engaged in information

in fact, i do have is a volume on goldwater nichols on my desk which shows you what secretaries of security read in their spare time. it took about 40 years between the creation of the department of defense and the management that goldwater-nichols represented. we will beat that target. we will take lessons learned in the department, not everything done in the department applies in the dhs context and in many ways we have a much broader set of missions that we have to perform. but things like acquisition review, particularly for large purchases, how you manage procurement in general. things like looking at how you buy, you know, software. how you buy vehicles. designing common frames for aircraft that can be used by coast guard -- >> you have five seconds -- i want to mention at the hearing out of all the departments you get 50% of the funding for dhs, that was an important point that i was not aware of and perhaps we can change that as well. >> that is for the congress. but i'll say, those are the kinds of efficiencies that we can, i think, encourage and grow at dhs. >> thank you, madam. >

i do have a volume of goldwater/nichols on my desk which i guess shows you what secretaries of homeland security do in their spare time. in any event, it took about 40 years between the creation of the department of defense and the consolidation and management that goldwater/nichols represented. we're going to beat that target. we're going to take lessons learned in dod. not everything done in the dod context applies in the dhs context. and we also in many respects have a much broader set of missions that we have to perform. but things like acquisition review, particularly for large purchases. how you manage procurement in general. things look liike looking at ho buy software, how you guy vehicles, designing common frames for aircraft that could be used by coast guard -- >> i do want to mention at that hearing, out of all the agencies in charge of homeland security, d h dhs only gets 50% of that funding. that was an important point i was not aware of. i think perhaps we can change that as well. >> that's for the congress. >> precisely. >> i will say. but those are the kinds of efficienc

after years of debate, i think it took six years, goldwater- nichols was passed. the secretary of defense was against it and it passed and president reagan signed in 1986. we had a little dust-up called desert shield and desert storm. law was passed that if you fight, you only fight in a joint force. second, if you aspire to the generals and admirals, you cannot be that until you have a joint certification. everything changed. we had the first gulf war because that was -- -- i was the first observer. it is the best thing that ever happened to to the services. it forced collaboration, information sharing, and it changed attitudes and behaviors. i think information sharing is absolutely the key. in the current draft, they don't go far enough to require it in two dimensions -- require it in law and incentivize and rewarded because you engaged in information sharing. >> nothing like promotion paths being tied to what is here. >> in the department of defense, you cannot be ended admiral are generally less you are certified in joint warfare. >> we've got time for each f

so after years of debate -- i think it took six years -- goldwater-nichols was passed. every service chief testified under oath, you pass this, it will be the elimination of the department of defense capabilities. every secretary service same. it was passed, and president reagan -- yeah, president reagan signed it in 1986. we had a little dust-up called desert shield, desert or storm. i got to be a front row observer. first of all, when the law was passed, it said if you fight, you only fight in a joint force. second f if you all aspire to be generals and admirals, you cannot be a general or admiral until you have joint certification. everything changed. okay, we had the dust-up called the first gulf war. because that was -- i was a firsthand observer, i got to go on the hill under oath, goldwater-nichols was the best thing that happened to the department of defense. it forced collaboration, information sharing, and it changed attitudes and behavior. so for me, i think information sharing is absolutely the key. but the current drafts, while i applaud them, we need them,

after years of debate, i think it took six years, goldwater- nichols was passed. the secretary of defense was against it and it passed and president reagan signed in 1986. we had a little dust-up called desert shield and desert storm. law was passed that if you fight, you only fight in a joint force. second, if you aspire to the generals and admirals, you cannot be that until you have a joint certification. everything changed. we had the first gulf war because that was -- -- i was the first observer. it is the best thing that ever happened to to the services. it forced collaboration, information sharing, and it changed attitudes and behaviors. i think information sharing is absolutely the key. in the current draft, they don't go far enough to require it in two dimensions -- require it in law and incentivize and rewarded because you engaged in information sharing. >> nothing like promotion paths being tied to what is here. >> in the department of defense, you cannot be ended admiral are generally less you are certified in joint warfare. >> we've got time for each f