there's such a broad range for kitching, -- kitchens, you want to be efficient. if you do an inventory of your appliances and pots so you have a home for them so they're not on the countertops, so now also things like microwaves were flinesd countertops, now they're built in. we have appliance garages, if you have a place for it, you can clear up the clutter. >> another way to do that, having more counterspace, use movable, portable, or island types of working surfaces. back to rachel. >> my ideal kitchen will have room for my giant cookbook collection, i have twobal 200 new and vintage cookbooks and a place for a computer because in spite of all the cookbooks, half the time i look up recipes on the computer. >> we are in a technological transformation period of the history of human culture. we are just at the beginning of that, actually. this is sort of an interesting thing where we are doing things by hand. we are making gougere by hand, using maybe a recipe from a book that was printed, and there's all this technology transfer into the way the book was printed