lanny brewer was not down there talking about gunwalking as we have used that term during the course of these last four hours or so when he was dealing with people in mexico. the third question what? i don't remember that. >> i don't like interrupting witnesses, but i'm almost out of time. i'm going to read a sum friday a doj attache named tony garcia. he suggested allowing purchasers to cross into mexico so mexican police are arrest and prosecute and convict plchlt gar stee ya wrote a summary saying what a horrible idea that was for the very reasons we've been talking about for the last hours. that people were going to die, and that weapons were going to get away from us. my time is out. i want to ask one more question. >> he very, very briefly. >> very briefly. has there been discussion at main justice of either a grant of immunity to mr. cunningham so we can know what it is that he feels the need to invoke his fifth amendment right to not say? have you discussed granting him immunity, and thhas there been discussion about the grant of immunity? >> we have not discussed immunity or

the fact is, lanny brewer in this document was clearly trying to say, let's do wide receiver again but let's get it right this time. >> mr. chairman i reserve. i'd just like to see the document. >> you have the document. this is doj 005754. >> i'd just like to see it. you can go ahead. >> you've reserved. i'll wait. >> mr. chairman i think we have a different opinion of what gun walking is and i withdraw my reservation. >>. >> i thank the gentleman. we can disagree as to what the document means. my discussion was what i believe it is. miss speier and i could both be wrong about what the document means but i appreciate your allowing it to be placed in the record. i'll give that to the member. i ask unanimous consent doj 005811 and 12 be placed in the record but i will reserve myself until the minority has a chance to see it and be comfortable with it, and with that, we now go to the gentleman from texas, who's patiently been waiting down in the cheap skates, mr. fahrenhold. >> thank you very much, chairman issa. mr. attorney general i want to follow up on what mr. ross says, management

>> to your knowledge, did deputy attorney general gary gwindler or assistant attorney general lanny brewer authorize gun walking or tactics employed in fast and furious. >> to my knowledge they did not. >> let me ask this. if you have been asked to approve of gun walking, what would you have said? >> no, simple. there's questions in corruption cases when you decide are you going to let the money walk. there are questions in narcotics cases, are you going to let the drugs walk so you can make a case. have you spirited conversations about that. i can understand how there can be different opinions. the notion you would let guns walk in a firearms case is for me absurd. absurd. it was the reason why i said it cannot happen, why we stopped it. it is not doj policy and anybody that does it now is breaking a directive from the attorney general of the united states. >> if you were asked or told by the atf or united nations attorneys office about the tactics in operation fast and furious, how would you have acted or responded? >> in the same way he did in early march 2011 by telling everybody in th

includes a debate on whether to prosecute wall street banks or mortgage fraud with eliot spitzer and lanny brewer. plus, hear from wahil gone. it all begins monday at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. "president obama last week honored the 16 winners of the 2011 national medal of arts and national eumenides metal. among the recipients, al pacino and mel tillis. the awards were presented in the east room of the white house. >> ladies and gentlemen, the recipients of the 2011 national medal of arts. [applause] the recipient of the 2011 national humanities metadal. [applause] ♪ ladies and gentleman, the president of the united states and mrs. michelle obama. ♪ [band plays "hail to the chief"] [applause] >>thank you. hello, everybody. [applause] thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you so much. thank you, everybody. please, please have a seat. thank you. thank you so much for joining us in this celebration of the arts and the humanities. two outstanding public servants and ambassadors for the arts are here: rocco landesman. where's rocco? there he is, right here -- chairman of the national end

. >> lanny brewer knew, approved, and continued to improve this kind of process and this kind of a program long after brian carey was gunned down with weapons. >> border agent was killed with one of the guns the u.s. supplied to cartel members while the report clears top atf officials in washington, it does blame atf officials and the u.s. attorney's in phoenix. >>> a new report shows the people who blew the whistle in the case of the mishandled troop remains were punished. they claim they were fired, suspended, or put on leave. last year, investigators found gross mismansionment. some troops body parts were lost, other remains ended up in a virginia landfill. the special council ordered them to discipline those involved. >> ending the search for 16 people still missing in a cruise ship disaster. conditions are just too dangerous for divers to go back into the wreckage. bad weather also moving into the area. divers have recovered 17 bodies, the ship ran aground 2 1/2 weeks ago. crews are trying to prevend 500,000 gallons of fuel from spilling into the sea. >> city furloughs, tax hikes, inc

number of key assistants, deputy assistant secretaries or so on, or attorney generals, including lannie brewer had culpability. he knew that the guns were walk in 2010. he advocated for them continuing walking even february 4th of 2011. and quite frankly, he is still there. he still has his job. and we are concerned that there hasn't been the kind of house cleaning necessary to make sure people with this flawed judgment aren't still there. and i for one have made it clear, my problem with eric holder is you can't wait a year, wait for the i.g. before you do things if in fact you have people whose decision process was wrong or who failed to do their jobs. we still think there's a lot of culpability in washington in justice. >> well, mr. chairman, we're talking on a thursday evening. on tuesday you sent the justice department a letter in which you said if the attorney general failed to provide you with certain documents requested you would "have no alternative but to move forward with proceedings to hold yu in contempt of congress." is contempt still a possibility or are you satisfied now? >> it

we know that lanny brewer, one of his chief dep pirates clearly was at the center of it and as we areng discovery we are getting to know more what have he did and what he did as late as february 4th. the day they were denying gun lobbying he was in mexico. >> and we don't have all the facts. the attorney general has assured us he has the same goal we have, we don't yet have the protective measures that are going to ensure that this type of operation can never happen again. and i think that's what brian terry's family wants. they can't bring border patrol agent terry back but they can see that people at the center of this lose their jobs or are appropriately punished and steps are taken so it can't happen again. >> if i were this border patrol agent's family, i would be so enraged and every american should be enraged at the slow pace to get the information. now 13 months. it isn't that difficult to fine out who did it, who authorized it, and whether that person is still there. the idea this family has continue to suffer and we americans have to sit and watch this go down without any in

for mortgage fraud with former new york governor eliot spitzer and assistant attorney general lanny brewerlso begins tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >> so you want somebody in there who's not a career politician. somebody who really cares about what they're doing for the people and who isn't so much concerned about their career. >> i think understanding how people try to live in this country. we're not unified. we say that we're one. we're not. we're divided in a sense of our thoughts and we need somebody that's going to be able to help us bridge those differences because they're going to continue to exist. >> and how do you think the president can do that? how can he show that? >> well, primarily he needs to listen. and he needs to be able to bring together people who he knows are able to make those bridges because some aren't, and some are. i think a good president would know the president that could do that. >> honest and hard working. they always try to make things better. >> and how old are you? >> i'm 10. >> humility, integrity generosity and a sense of humor. >> and how do you th

mortgage fraud with the former new york governor eliot spitzer and assistant attorney general lanny brewerthat begins monday at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. >> join american history tv on monday for 24 hours of america's first lady's including an interview with eleanor roosevelt at 4: 40 5:00 p.m. eastern. [video clip] >> like everything else, i think we started out expecting that the united nations would solve every difficulty just by being the united nations. >>tour the white house private quarters with laura bush at 5:00 and lady bird johnson at 8:00 and nancy reagan reminisces about her husband and the only first lady to run for president now secretary of state, hillary clinton at her final campaign rally in 2008. american history tv monday, president's day, on c-span 3. >> "washington journal" continues -- host: kinm dixon is the tax policy expert for reuters. there's a theme of the release of the budget this of the clinic and to tax policy. guest: the message is economic spareness and that is the message the president at the last couple of years. he had that in his rhetoric when he r