lanny brewer was not down there talking about gunwalking as we have used that term during the course of these last four hours or so when he was dealing with people in mexico. the third question what? i don't remember that. >> i don't like interrupting witnesses, but i'm almost out of time. i'm going to read a sum friday a doj attache named tony garcia. he suggested allowing purchasers to cross into mexico so mexican police are arrest and prosecute and convict plchlt gar stee ya wrote a summary saying what a horrible idea that was for the very reasons we've been talking about for the last hours. that people were going to die, and that weapons were going to get away from us. my time is out. i want to ask one more question. >> he very, very briefly. >> very briefly. has there been discussion at main justice of either a grant of immunity to mr. cunningham so we can know what it is that he feels the need to invoke his fifth amendment right to not say? have you discussed granting him immunity, and thhas there been discussion about the grant of immunity? >> we have not discussed immunity or

this has been publicly reported that he was sick to his stomach when he discovered this was approved by lanny brewer's office. indications are that your chief deputy knew about this. i mean it comes through criminal division at some point. the question is, will you or isn't it appropriate that you know about these wiretaps so that can you know what former atf acting aft director knew which was these wiretaps are reasonably believed to be sufficient in what they disclosed that many parts of this operation should have stopped, should have stopped sooner and that people were saying that at dea and other places and that the office of criminal division, lanny brewer's division if, you will, knew or should have known that. that's the kind of thing that mchenry was asking about is holding people accountable whether they're career professionals or political appointees. are you prepared to do any of that prior to the attorney general's final report? you haven't done anything so far as far as we can tell. >> i think you mean the inspector general's report. >> yes, i'm sorry, mr. general. i keep confusing the tw

the fact is, lanny brewer in this document was clearly trying to say, let's do wide receiver again but let's get it right this time. >> mr. chairman i reserve. i'd just like to see the document. >> you have the document. this is doj 005754. >> i'd just like to see it. you can go ahead. >> you've reserved. i'll wait. >> mr. chairman i think we have a different opinion of what gun walking is and i withdraw my reservation. >>. >> i thank the gentleman. we can disagree as to what the document means. my discussion was what i believe it is. miss speier and i could both be wrong about what the document means but i appreciate your allowing it to be placed in the record. i'll give that to the member. i ask unanimous consent doj 005811 and 12 be placed in the record but i will reserve myself until the minority has a chance to see it and be comfortable with it, and with that, we now go to the gentleman from texas, who's patiently been waiting down in the cheap skates, mr. fahrenhold. >> thank you very much, chairman issa. mr. attorney general i want to follow up on what mr. ross says, management

was specifically about fast and furious and only fast and furious. what we know is eric holder absolutely says he didn't know and he didn't authorize it. we know that lanny brewerof his chief dep pirates clearly was at the center of it and as we are getting discovery we are getting to know more what have he did and what he did as late as february 4th. the day they were denying gun lobbying he was in mexico. >> and we don't have all the facts. the attorney general has assured us he has the same goal we have, we don't yet have the protective measures that are going to ensure that this type of operation can never happen again. and i think that's what brian terry's family wants. they can't bring border patrol agent terry back but they can see that people at the center of this lose their jobs or are appropriately punished and steps are taken so it can't happen again. >> if i were this border patrol agent's family, i would be so enraged and every american should be enraged at the slow pace to get the information. now 13 months. it isn't that difficult to fine out who did it, who authorized it, and whether that person is still there. the idea this family has continue

alcohol, tobacco, and firearms phoenix office was supplying guns to mexican cartels in an effort to track down the criminals. republicans disagree. >> lanny brewer knew, approved, and continued to improve this kind of process and this kind of a program long after brian carey was gunned down with weapons. >> border agent was killed with one of the guns the u.s. supplied to cartel members while the report clears top atf officials in washington, it does blame atf officials and the u.s. attorney's in phoenix. >>> a new report shows the people who blew the whistle in the case of the mishandled troop remains were punished. they claim they were fired, suspended, or put on leave. last year, investigators found gross mismansionment. some troops body parts were lost, other remains ended up in a virginia landfill. the special council ordered them to discipline those involved. >> ending the search for 16 people still missing in a cruise ship disaster. conditions are just too dangerous for divers to go back into the wreckage. bad weather also moving into the area. divers have recovered 17 bodies, the ship ran aground 2 1/2 weeks ago. crews are trying to prev