mr. hoover. >> yes, sir. >> wow. that was a scene from the clint eastwood-directed film "j. edgar" starring leonardo dicaprio as the controversial fbi director. now pull zer prize-winning author tim winerry of the fbi" and tim joins us now. this looks fascinating you, thanks very much for coming in. >> my pleasure. first of all, you and joe were cub reporters in the philippines. >> little backstory here. >> watching the collapse of -- well, actually, the first people's revolution? >> 25, 27 years ago. it was a beautiful thing. >> it was a beautiful thing. and i understand joe was running through imelda's closet, trying to grab as many -- >> there was that. >> i was there the night they left, actually. >> were you really? >> yes, i was. >> and tim interacted with my father, so he has also been burned, just like you. >> i know. it happens. so, let's talk about the fbi and let's talk about what was your big take away in his work? >> that the history of the fbi is the struggle of the united states to be both safe and free, that we need both security and liberty. we can't have one without the other but they are opposing forces and the fbi lives with this tug-of-war between security and the