>> with regard to secretary i a napolitain napolita napolitano, yes. >> secretary clinton, you have spoken with her about fast and furious? >> no, i'm -- no. i should say no. secretary napolitano know, secretary clinton no and passing conversations about the president just about the fact of me testifying in connection with fast and furious. >> you issued a press release saying you met together. this was on the heels of the agent sopada. there were questions whether there were ties to fast and furious. you said you didn't have any interaction with janet napolitano about fast and furious. my question is about secretary clinton. what sort of interaction did you have at the state department? >> he with had low levels at the state department. i have not interacted with secretary clinton with regard to fast and furious. >> i was questioning whether or not you actually had interaction and words fast and furious came up. you said, and i quote, you have to understand something about the way washington works. explain that to me and the interaction that your department or agency has had with the stat