i have much admiration for the reply of oliver tambow, who was the head of the national congress of south africa, when his generals came to him in the 1980s and said, we have the capacity with our dynamite to blow up the monument in pretoria. tambow said in reply to that, we must not do that because that monument is precious to the memories of africanas that put that monument up there, and one of these days we are going to have to live with those people and we should not damage their monuments to. me, that's good democracy. >> i think david and i -- i'm not sure what you're going to talk about this question, but i think it's important for people to understand. all the conversations that we're having today, there's a virtuous cycle. and it goes back to what the congresswoman was saying, ok? the civil rights struggle grew out of brave almost all african-americans who kept alive the story of the possibility. and the association for african-american life and history, and carter g. woodson and all of that. but once that began, then there's a whole generation, i grew up in segregated schools bu