what, what, what was it at a young age that made you think you wanted to do.do this as opposee to ann things you might have done? >> banks: mm, mm. well, i never had one of those aha moments, i think myself as a writer.. >> smith: yeah.& >> banks: .of, of seriouu literary depressing fiction. [laughter] >> banks: that, that never occurred to me. >> smith: i guess i'm -- i'm comforted to know that. [laughter] >> banks: [laughs] that's good. no, no, originally i, i wanted to be a visual aatist. it was he only observable talent i had... >> smith: you were interested in painting, right? >> banks: yeah. >> smith: yeah. >> banks: and, and it's, it's sort of the.if, if you have some talent and it, it, it -- it manifests itself in an observable way and so people praise you for it and you like the praise so i think i'll.that's what i úant to do, i want to become an artist, a visual artist. and i, and i.when i was 11 years old and i'd, i'd dropped out of college after about six weeks and ran off to -- i hitchhiked down that winter to florida with the intention of joining fidel castro and che gue