commissioner hur: commissioner studley? \] commissioner studley: i agree, and if they could be referred to by the roman numeral. on page two, there is a were missing. i believe that it should say it to pass the exam, and two comments were evolving -- involving my remarks. on page 3, third from the bottom. i think it would be a little clearer it said it would allow the commission to provide a $5,000 match to the candidate who raised $5,000 with a larger number of contributors than currently required, or while increasing the number of contributors, something like that to indicate that mechanism, and then if you would indulge me on page 8, items for future meetings, i believe or at least intended my comment under that item to be a suggestion, so the vice chair person suggested that the ethics commission consider that a future meeting whether to initiate, so i was not stating that we should but suggesting that we bring it up for discussion. thank you. commissioner huyr: -- hur: any other comments with respect to the minutes? co

commissioner studley: it does. my final question is whether there are a range of concerns that the library is worrying about and things would be problematic. i am just trying to understand the costs. if we were to leave these in place and have people seek waivers, they can return again if that proves cumbersome, so i am wondering, we may want to ask miss marion to come back. possibly others have questions for her as well now, about whether that is, what the pros and cons to letting the library take of the longer with the royals this way and deal with matters case-by-case -- take a little longer with their roles -- with the rules. >> dealing with the matter case- by-case, it was felt if we could just have the rule established or have been -- the sia -- that we can be excused from doing it case-by-case matter, because i believe that there would be numerous case-by-case situations that would be brought forth to the city librarian, and it is my understanding that he wanted to get it established in the sia. >> would be

vice chair studley: how big? >> not too big. in the employee handbook, there's reference to the ethics commission, also to conflict of interest laws and state of incompatibility. the handbook itself doesn't summarize every single rule but i believe employees are advised to contact the ethics commission if they have any questions. that's number one. number two is that when our commission -- when our staff provides ethics training and we have done that for a number of departments in the past, especially when we're dealing with the statements of incompatible activities, when we're rolling them out, we talk about the rules that governor city employees, in particular, post-employment rules. we have not hit every single department and one of them is timing issue, one of them is whether or not the other department has space available for us to provide the training. but we try to do that. we do let people know, do let other departments know that we are available to provide training. the third thing is that all these things are posted on

commissioner studley: i have another question. it has been a while, but i forgot. but ethics laws, the notions of appearances, what it looked like for the public for someone to be involved in in multiple activities even if there is not a formal or absolute chance to influence the decision or

chairperson hur: commissioner studley? vice chair studley: . the advantage of going last is that other people have made many of the same points. i sympathize with the constraint on job searching. i agree with commissioner hayon and commissioner renee that most of what you described as within your examples were things that you could do or can find appropriate ways to do. you can provide background to people about your understanding of how things work within government if it doesn't involve your direct communication to government, for example. so much of what you're describing is possible. i've worked under post-government employment bans myself and while they are limiting, they are not necessarily designed because of any particular person's access to a specific set of knowledge or a particular background on issues. it is really a public persneaption having been in those roles in general we may have access or opportunities to influence or that our calls will be taken more quickly or that we have friendships inside government that might allow us t

commissioner studley, commissioner liu, commissioner hanyon. item number two, public comment on matters appearing or not appearing on the agenda. >> once again, i do not see my agenda item on the agenda. the sunshine task force were for all on case number 11-013 and 11-014, which i sent you months ago. you have not yet scheduled a public hearing on my item, and it should not take you five months to either recused him from this case, since the task force had a finding of willful failure and official misconduct bore him on both cases, so for him to recuse himself and this body to schedule a hearing on my case, i wonder when you are going to tell me, commissioner hyr, -- hur, when you are going to schedule my hearing on the agenda? commissioner hyr: -- hur: thank you for bringing it to my attention. we will look into it. >> excuse me. i have had a hearing loss since i was a child. commissioner hur: i said thank you for bringing it to our attention. we will look into it. >> that will be the third time you have said you will look into it. >> we have

commissioner studley: this is more in the nature of a question, and it may be for others. we know that there are other general conflict policies that apply to all city employees above and beyond the sia, and it would help me to understand something about the scope of those, a more general version of the same kind of things or how they would operate in effect in situations of a kind that are described. >> deputy city attorney andrew shen. they are just different. there are broader and narrower. that reflects financial interests, and one significant difference between that statutory scheme and these restrictions is that at least with the political reform act, you need to be part of the decision making chain before you have a conflict not just those people that are in the decision making chain, and i think that is where commissioner liu's questioning was going. you do not have to do that to have these rules affecting. -- affect you. there are many other differences, i think. one way that they are different one way that they are different from, say, the political reform