when robert kennedy, jacob javits, walter mondale, went down to california and florida to look into hunger, they got a lot of coverage on that. they were shining a spotlight on these issues. george mcgovern and bob dole worked on hunger for years together on a bipartisan basis. they shown a spotlight on issues, and because of who they were, it moved the country and it moved the legislative process. it's harder to break through now. >> because of so much noise? >> so much noise. so much noise. >> let me get back to an issue which i consider to be enormously important. a lot of folks inside the beltway especially focus on the institution of the senate, which is by definition fascinating. 100 people, different personalities, different states, different political compositions and makes for an interesting dynamic. but i personally believe that what is far more important is the relationship between what goes on in the senate and the needs of the american people. theoretically you could have a wonderful senate, bright people, they all love each other, all get look and the country goes to hell. th