journalist clay cane and global entertainment editor for the associated press, alicia karls. i don't watch a lot of tv. when i turn it on is reality show, scripted shows, reality shows. when is too much? >> i think the public is going to be -- we'll determine when it's too much. right now we have this insatiable need to pry into pseudocelebrities' lives. >> i like that, pseudocelebrities. when i look on the "tv guide," most people with shows aren't famous except for the fact that they have this show. >> if you look up something like "basketball wives," it started in miami, it became a runaway hit. reality shows are cheap to produce. these are people's dramas playing out. it's very voyeuristic. >> i spoke to lala earlier about how she rejected an appearance to be part of the show because it didn't fit her brand. she thought it was too trashy. she gave a dignified response. >> she's a perfect example that has used her reality show. she comes off in a positive light. she's on broadway and getting endorsement deals. she shows how it can be done right. >> they were already famous.