chris matthews about that. we'll try to get your light back while playing that type, so let's just listen to this. >> to me, it's a matter of interpretation of whether he's saying coon or goon. there are a lot of parts of this country where people proudly call themselves coons in louisiana particularly. i don't know too many people who younger than 40 who use that term as a racial slur. as far as the other word, goon, i've been informed by my 17-year-old daughter that that, among her peers, is a term of endearment. >> joe, as you know, there's been an awful lot of african-american reaction to that, starting with charles blow. let's hear his reaction to that now. >> well, i grew up in louisiana, and i have never once heard an african-american refer to an african-american in that way. >> i never said african-american. >> you're going to let me finish. >> i will. >> and particularly, any sort of term of endearment, and particularly, why would you insinuate that george zimmerman was using that as a term of endearment, whether it's a "c" or a "g" after the "f" word about a person whom he found suspicious, about a person whom he was following with a gun? that is absolutel