david gatlin got a 2009 chevy hhr. gatlin was asked by investigators where he got the car. he allegedly replied, quote, i can't tell you. to randy walker, it's just one more injustice, one more example of a situation beyond corrupt. >> where's my handout? i mean i had -- there's thousands upon thousands upon thousands of medical bills that nobody helped me pay. you know, stuff that's a necessity, i had to have this medical stuff done. i'm not one to go to fits of anger, but it really -- i mean my blood pressure is boiling. >> and i know the former governor has declined to speak with us. you have gotten a statement from him. what did he say? >> reporter: several days ago we sent a lengthy e-mail to his spokesperson detailing all of these questions very specific, many questions. basically most of those questions were ignored in the statement. but he did say -- the governor said that throughout his tenure as governor and having this trustee program, that they did everything they could to help these trustees succeed once they completed the program and went on to return into reg

if david gatlin shows himself to me, i'm going to take it as a threat against my life or the life of my family and i will handle it accordingly. >> randy walker, i'm sorry you're going through this and i appreciate you talking to us about it. >> it's been an honor to be on your show, anderson. out of all the people i've been on there with, you share my outrage and the sentiments of my family and we really appreciate that. >> randy, that means a lot to me and i appreciate that. we'll continue to keep in touch with you and see if maybe this can all get changed, although it's not going to change the case of this pardon. randy, i wish you strength in the days ahead. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> let us know what you think about this. we're on facebook, we're on google plus, on twitter @ac360. >>> up next, candidate obama said washington lobbyists wouldn't be running his white house, remember that? so how does president obama explain his new hire, a man who actually ran a lobbying firm? we're keeping 'em honest. >>> and later, a dark and overlooked chapter in american history comi

david gatlin was the killer and also was pardoned. he talked to cnn's anderson cooper last night about what's about to happen. >> david gatlin only served 17 years 6 months and 3 days for a life plus 30 sentence. he should have never gotten out of jail. it happened for me. i'm still living it every day. i can't be pardoned from the scars i have. i can't be pardoned from the nightmares. i can't be pardoned from looking over my shoulder wondering where this guy is. you know, none of that. there's no magic pill for me to take. there's no magic pardon pill for me. >> so randy walker survived a killer's efforts and now has to live with the fact that that killer is going to be out there. later on "starting point" at 8:00 a.m. soledad o'brien will have a chance to talk to randy walker about the mississippi pardons and how he's going to have to live with it in the coming days. >> i can't wait for haley barbour to tell us. he has been stalked by reporters. i haven't heard a good explanation. >>> is that all you have, sun? many saying the big s

neither is this, david gatlin stalked his estranged wife for weeks. he shot and killed her while she held her baby in her arms and badly wounded her friend, randy walker. now he fears he may try to finish the job. her mom and sister are too shaken by the court ruling to talk about it. i spoke to them when this story first gained national attention. >> he got life plus 30 years. you know, i mean, and he served 18 of them. you know, my sister lived 20 years. it's ridiculous. you know, it almost makes you -- hal haley barbour didn't open the case to look at the detective work and the things that were said. i mean, he actually told smbld before he came to do this that he was coming to kill her. you know? >> why do you think the governor did this? >> my real gut feeling is that it was a power thing with him. he did it because he could do it. and he wanted to. >> he didn't think about your daughter? >> no, he didn't think about my daughter, and none of us will be able to see her or hear her or talk to her ever again. he didn't think of any of that. you woul

. >> one of the inmates who barbour says has redeemed himself is this man david gatlin.e shot and killed his estranged wife tammy gatlin, while she was holding their 3-year-old son. the ellis family says they were never consulted about the pardon. gatlin also shot his wife's friend walker. randy, when barbour quotes the family who complains the most, you think he's talking about you? >> definitely. and, you know, i'm a grown man. i'm perfectly willing to take responsibility for everything i say. he doesn't need to say the family. my name is randy walker. the walker family is complaining the most because we're outraged. and we're not ready to roll over and die. >> he says while you've met with lawyers, you said yes you met with a lawyer but the issue of pardons never came up. >> no, the issue pardons didn't come up at that point. we were talking to one his lawyers named lucien smith. we met with him in april 2010. what we discussed was in the department of corrections inmate handbook, it says clearly no inmate convicted of murder or serving a life sentence is eligible to

i spoke last week with one of david gatlin's victims, guy named randy walker, he still thinks gatlin >> if somebody tries to kill you and they don't succeed, he's always a threat, he or she's always a threat. i've been advised that if i see david in any of my immediate area, whatever, that it would -- i should probably take that as a threat because he stalked us in the beginning when he did the shooting and tried to kill me and that's the way i'll take it if i see him again. i'll take it as an immediate threat on my life and i'll act accordingly. >> i was trying to get him to say what exactly does act accordingly mean. >> this is such a bizarre story. we've been doing this a lot on ac 360. one of the questions raised is is it illegal to take a prisoner and go get them a driver's license? it was such a bizarre question that, like, how would you even think to make such a thing illegal because who would you think would ever do such a thing, to take a prisoner to get a driver's license? the answer apparently is, no, it's not illegal. it just shows how these prisoners who had haley barbou

one man freed by the decision is a guy named david gatlin.about him. he shot and killed his estranged wife. name was tammy. he also shot tammy's friend, randy walker. he shot him in the head. randy walker survived. gatlin pleaded guilty. he was sentenced to life in prison plus 30 years but ended up, because of the pardon, only serving 17.5 years. randy walker joins us this morning. mr. walker, thank for being with us. nice to talk to you again. i know we talked when the story first broke. whattest your reaction now that the supreme court of the state has weighed in? >> well, the supreme court weighed in and they've weighed in on the wrong side of the issue. i think they did what was politically easy for them rather than what was right for the people of mississippi. >> did the governor ever reach out to you? did the court ever reach out to you to sort of have a conversation to see how you felt by someone who had been shot in the head by one of these guys? >> no. the court never reached out to us and haley barbour has never reached out to us. w

listen to it. >> david gatlin only served 17 years 6 months and 3 days for a life plus 30 sentence.have never gotten out of jail. it happened for me. i'm still living it every day. i can't be pardoned from the scars i have. i can't be pardoned from the nightmares. i can't be pardoned from look being over my shoulder wondering where this guy is. you know, none of that. there's no magic pill for me to take. there's no magic pardon pill for me. >> like i said, there's five more inmates that will be getting out here. all that had been frozen. they'll be out by tomorrow. gatlin is living in mississippi. one of them is living in wyoming. a couple others we've lost track of. >> ed, thanks for being here. we appreciate it. >>> last week most americans probably never heard of joseph kony. that's changes a at the speed of youtube. now he's becoming infamous thanks to a short film next. how the u.s. is helping to hunt him down. in the morning on your. that's a big accomplishment to me. i don't know how much money i need. but i know that whatever i have that's what i'm going to live within. ♪ ♪

one of the criminals who got a new car, david gatlin, shot and killed his estranged wife while she heldaby in their arms. the idea that gatalin would be pardoned and then get a new car, adds insult to unspeakable injury for tammy's mother, betty. here's what she said last night. >> it really upsets me because i wrote miss barbour a letter and asked her to consider asking her husband not to pardon him and she didn't even do me the courtesy of responding to my letter but she had time to take the inmates and give them a car. >> we wanted to ask haley barbour on that, to get answers on behalf of betty and the victims' families. we asked him to come on the show, as we have been for months. we were told he was unavailable, couldn't speak to us, not even on camera, not even on the phone, and that he was unavailable and frankly would be for a month. in fact, we're told unavailable for the rest of the month. then we saw this last night. >> former governor of mississippi, haley barbour joining me on the phone. >> say what? apparently unavailable for the rest of the month on fox news yesterday. ap

days before these two mississippi killers were pardoned by haley barbour, cnn has learned that david gatlin technically incarcerated working as trustees at the governor's mansion. which begs the question -- how do they get driver's licenses while still in custody? haley barbour's chief security officer tells cnn he personally drove both men from the governor's mansion over to the driver's license himself. the security chief suggests it would help them find jobs. why el else? to drive their newly purchased cars. cnn has obtained these investigator reports, which detail how gatlin and hooker also had cars ready for them the day they were pardoned. according to the report, haley barbour's wife called a salesman at this car dealership, says marsha barbour contacted him, the salesman allegedly told investigators that the inmates had been brought to the dealership on january 6th, 2012 in a black ford crown victoria to complete paperwork for the sale. >> these allegations have obviously some victims' family members, some calling them disturbing. others say they were simply disgusted. >>> time for

just days before these two mississippi killers were pardoned by haley barbour, cnn has learned david gatlinrles hooker were issued brand new driver's licenses even though they were still technically incarcerated working as trustees at the governor's mansion, which begs the question, how do two inmates get driver's licenses while they're still in custody of the prison system? >> reporter: well, haley barbour's chief security officer tells cnn he drove both men from the governor's mansion here over to the driver's license office himself. >> reporter: he suggested the licenses would help them find jobs but why else would either of these men need a driver's license? to drive their newly purchased cars, of course. cnn has obtained these investigator's reports from the mississippi attorney general's office which detail how gatlin and hooker also had cars ready for them the day they were pardoned. according to the report, haley barbour's wife called a salesman at this car dealership. it says, marsha barb bour contacted him regarding the purchase of vehicles for hooker and gatlin. the salesman alle

david gatt lin. he shot and killed his wife while she was holding their baby son. the ellis family says they were never consulted about the pardon. gatliniend walker. the frie randy, when barber quotes the family who complains the most, you think he's talking about you? >> definitely. and, you know, i'm a grown man. i'm perfectly willing to take responsibility for everything i say. he doesn't need to say the family. my name is randy walker. the walker family is complaining the most because we're outraged. >> he says while you've met with lawyers, you said yes you met with a lawyer but the issue of pardons never came up. >> sno. not at that point. we were talking to one of his lawyers named lucian smith. what we discussed was in the department of corrections inmate handbook, it says clearly no inmate convicted of murder or serving a life sentence is eligible to be a trustee. so we met with lucian and asked what to do to remove the trustee status. it was a short meeting. he referred us to christopher epps at the mississippi department of corrections. we had a meeting with him. i think you have documentation and letters that went back and