jack dickerson's that was an architect and a didn't know architects carried marbles. next door was a jesuit priest who lived next to father o'connor. he was the president manager of the building. he had marbles and i remember a day they were kneeling on the floor in our room and i thought this is pretty cool. my mother was a marvel champion in 1935. i didn't realize. that is the kind of thing we were exposed to. [talking over each other] >> that is right. that is a happy memory. >> it was very difficult. we felt there had been too many -- all the black students had been identified and only a fraction of white students, we felt there was over racism and we were going to support all the students and i remember it was very tumultuous. i am walking out. how will i explain this to my parents? what is going to go on? then over that weekend, people realized how important it was that father brooks and ted and clarence and art martin all got together and discussed this and talk to the trustees and eventually work everything out. it was a traumatic time, powerful time. i happen