. >> so johanna already raised the issue about the degree the government can physically repress. they're doing it in rights term, constitutionally, legally, but the question is whether they're going to actually physically then repress as interesting is, johanna, much of your work is looking at the ground up. how are these groups responding to the institutional discrimination they may or may some are privileged. brine, looking top down. a social aspect to it. i'd like to talk to you more about, you have a top-down story. if there's a policy in place, people are more apt to use that to legitimate the discriminatory action against religious minorities, what about from the ground up? a population saying, no, this is our interpretation of whatever faith it is, how you're supposed to behave in public and then the government has to come in and sort of validate that or say, no, we're going to change the policy that sort of thing. seems to me i actually would, my sense is, probably goes both way, but i'd be curious about the data on that. but so it's sort of the strategic interaction ever