and it would have to be done on the backs of -- with legal organizations like maldeath and others out there fighting for the rights of minorities on a regular basis. i don't see that the deterrence effect being covered today is justified givef race relation in the south today. >> the thing that -- that's puzzled me for a long time is the sort of question of what should decide when section five's usefulness is outgrown and what it is that makes section five such an extreme remedy? as i understand the argument that people who think section 5 is such an extreme remedy, the state can't put the plan into effect until it gets precleared. as you quoted you have to go to washington with a hat in their hand like beggars. is the problem that somehow federalism says jurisdiction should be put into -- put the burden on voters who have been denied the right to vote to come forward? i never figured out if it's the burden of the proof or the timing issue that leads people to think that section 5 is an extraordinary remedy. i'm still trying to figure out about the preclearance regime. i understood th