sergeant-major plumley. and over the years, long gone by, my wife and i would go over to fort benning on occasion to visit my troopers at the cemetery. and her parents were very -- she's the daughter of a colonel. and on occasion, we'd visit. we'd sit down in this kitchen. we'll visit the sergeant-major, in the kitchen with his wife. and she'd always have a pumpkin pie, hot coffee. and we'd sit there and talk about old times. tell war stories. some of them were true. and we visited the cemetery. i lost my wife a year and a half ago. that's where she is. so if you want to introduce sergeant-major plumley, i don't think you would succeed. you have to learn about it from guyses like me and joe galloway and others because he refuses all interviews. >> that's one of the reasons i'm asking. >> he won't agree to an interview. so galloway and i are in the process of writing a sequel to our book. and we wanted to have a chapter in there on sergeant-major plumley. and me told joe flat out, you're welcome in my home at

back plumley across the country by all professors is that this case will never end up in the supreme court. you have no opportunity to defeat this legislation in court. here we stand now assists per in court and i can say i feel a lot better after witnessing two hours of argument i saw when we started. and the reason i think senator johanns said clearly. always when justice kennedy. justice kennedy was skeptical of the mandate and the constitutionality of the mandate and that makes me feel better about our chances. it's hard to predict when you stand outside the supreme court as to what they are going to do. in keeping with justice kennedy's right decision making in cases where we've seen him make the decision, he is very skeptical of unlimited congressional power under the commerce clause. and so my colleagues and i have been managing this case day today. we so great about the questions we heard from the justices here we feel very positive and mandates will possibly be struck down. and if it is tomorrow is going to be very important to talk about severability because we believe that