about ucos in just a moment here. but isn't it, rather than urging the emergency to begin addressing the problem, isn't this the time that we would be better off addressing problems so that we could get the commitments up front. let me ask you first, mr. larsen. >> senator kyle, i think you raise a very important point, it's not an easy one to be quite honest. i think that in my experience in diplomacy it is important not to let perfect be the enemy of good. and i think my own personal view is that we should seize the opportunity that's created by nptr and have russia be in the wto. but if we stop right there, we have only down part of the job. as i said in my oral remarks, this is something that the congress and the administration should work together. it should not be -- it need not be a partisan issue. it's something that -- >> let me just interrupt. this is not a partisan issue. and, yes, congress and the administration need to work together. my question goes to when we are most likely to get cooperation, which, l

i hope to get to the ucos situation in a moment. you talked about the practical problem of the russia court system. given the track record you identify, do you have concerns of russia pntr with the intellectual property reforms and other wto commitments s reduces the ledverage we might have? >> yes. i know when you move into the area where i lack the expertise where i say one is better than the other, i have to point out i'm the wrong person to tell you we need to make the adjustments before and after ptnr. as music creators, unlike these gentlemen and i understand your stance to completely -- we are in a position whether it is granted or not, our music will continue to grow and the movies will continue to grow in the country. my specific concern as an organization, we don't have a specific stance on pntr. i am sympathetic to it. i can imagine watching the prospects of china stepping in if we can't do business. for my organization, i have to represent them and i would say that what we need is no matter what happens with pntr, we nee

and again, i hope to be able to get to the ucos situation in moment. mr. williams talked about a practical problem, the practical problem of the russian court system. i just want to ask you, given the track record that you identified, do you have concerns that granting russian pntr before the russian duma takes steps to implement the intellectual property reforms and the other wto access commitments, reduces the leverage that we might otherwise have? >> absolutely. i do have concerns. i'm also 71 years old. i've reached that point in my life where i know that when you move into an area where i lack the expertise to say one is better than the other, i have to point it out that i'm the wrong person to tell you that we need to make these adjustments before or after pntr is granted. i will tell you we're in the rare position at ascap and as music creators, unlike these gentlemen, and i understand your stance completely. we're in a position where whether it's granted or not, our music is going to continue to grow and movies will continue to grow in the country.

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