i remember when i first joined cipri, we had to write a paper about the att. it was skeptical. people inside said this will never fly and pointed to the u.s. skepticism. there's been remarkable progress, and i think for us it's very interesting to see that dynamics. one of the things we haven't looked at which we have way back in the league of nations time, one of the dividing lines that made sure their efforts are international lili regulating control fell part was because they didn't have the recipients on board. there's a lot of agreement among the suppliers. there are a lot of recipient states in africa, asia and the americas that are pushing for this. it's very interesting the change there. >> i'd like to go back a little bit to the transfer in the data. you touched upon it a little bit these reactive acquisitions and these small arms races in certain regions that you see developing. i wonder if you could talk a little bit about that, and then i'd like to ask our colleagues here on the panel who are dealing with the controls, do you think that a treaty like the att who is