and confucianism mean while was the kind of religion of the state of in a sense wealthy people. and you have people making eclectic combinations of all of these thoughts. in a way, kind of like we do now because rather than maybe before one grew up as a certain profession and this was truth and against the others where as now we live in a relativelistic kind of religious world where individuals are sort of expected to think through on their own and acquire pieces and aspects of different confessions and in their own life philosophy so, it's a more open and flexible place, it's along period of history. >> you know the - and this is also and helen i want to [laughter], this is you've obviously done studies in the current political situation in modernity. and we're looking to china of course speaking of the ethical and social dimension as hopefully being partners, as being allies. how important do you think it is, even though we've gone through the long period of communism when the traditional religious systems were repressed, how important do you think it is that a religious or at

traditionally people were born into a confucian system that says you were born into this place, you will stay in this place and you will die in this place. and they've set out to subvert that on an individual level and nationally the same thing. china believes it will become a great nation again, it will become a superpower and it is the combined ambitions of 1.3 billion people that drives that. >> rose: but what are they ambitious for is the ultimate question? >> that's the mystery. this is the problem for them. they don't know what they're going for. what are the values china stands for today? >> rose: they've never been imperialistic, have they? within adjacent properties. >> beyond tibet and what they consider to be chinese territory exactly. the south china sea, they don't ultimately have the interest that, for instance, the soviet union had if projecting its values but the problem is china these days doesn't know what it stands for internally. what it stands for at the moment is a condition, a state of being which is growth, prosperity, but that's thin and if that begins to founder