as i did this, bruce crandall came running out, he says i'm going, too. and i said, bruce, what's going to happen to the company when you get zapped? he said, we'll worry about that when it happens. and -- and we joined up, and formation, and we -- our last flight was at 10:30 at night. >> the two of you? >> the two of us over the top of them 250 foot trees with a kid standing with a flashlight holding that flashlight. and let me tell you about a flashlight. back up just one minute. >> sure. >> i was an instructor for two years in huies. and one of my tests was to bury a six-cell flash light, six-cell flashlight in the ground and turn it on and put it near the runway, off the side of the runway at a training field we had and turn the light on and take the helicopter to 1,000 feet above the terrain and give it to the student and shut the engine down. and his job was to do a 360 degree turn, and when he stopped, i wanted to see that light shining up between his feet. and if you didn't do it you got a pink slip that day and you the air force individual knows

so tell me about bruce crandall? what was he like? and him as a commander? >> he was a tremendous leader. almost to a point of a little bit dangerous. i'll give you an example. we were coming back in one evening, from a operation, and had been inserting troops, and we were empty. and we come in near this one village and we had normally received fire from that village, and he came in with the radio and says, yellow "x" to one of the other pilots, take over the flight, and he says, follow me freeman. you know, circuit 2-6, roger. and we peeled off from the formation, dropped down and started out over this village. and we flew around the village for awhile. we landed, come back and i says pray tell, why did we do that? and he says, to see if we could draw some fire and i started to punch him out but i didn't, because he was my friend and also my commander. but, he was trying to draw fire, at which at the time we would have called in gunships to take care of the problem. >> right. >> but i told him we can find other ways to draw fire other than that, especially

hearing where the during the sentencing of murray engineering for two violation connected to the crandall canyon mine disaster. this is going to get me to a question that's why i'm going to that. he said, and i quote him, he said i'm outraged because of the minuscule amount provided by the criminal statute in the sanctions and the finding these criminals from the crandall canyon. so mr. chairman, i have a copy of that. i'd like to ask unanimous consent to insert it in the transcript. >> without objection. >> thank you. so the minac classifies a willful violation of mandatory safety standard as a misdemeanor even when miners are injured or killed. so that's true when making a falls statement and that's a felony. why would it make a difference instead of weak mine skul criminal statutes we had -- we had

after jim walters and darby and crandall canyon there was a number of policies flared on that. the internal review team came up with about 200 since 2004 that was layered on. what i said back in july of 2010, i'm not doing this. i put together a crew to go back. we're rewriting the entire manuel from base zero. we're leaning out a lot of the controversy. we're making sure that all these internal reviews and accountability audits get placed in a clear and straight forward way so an inspector knows exactly what they're supposed to do and we can have a greater clarity. i asked our folks to go to the root of this. i can tell you that we are rewriting the entire inspection procedures to clean up. >> i understand. i've been through several mines back in the area that i represent. part of the problem is, and i don't know the experience of the people that you have going out inspecting. when people get cited for having a fluorescent light that's not the proper height above the desk or not having a cover on a trash can or not having two sets of trucks under truck wheels, you start to won

we just saw that at crandall canyon. for $500,000 for two criminal acts is all they had to pay. that's not even a half day's work for production. so the penalties are extremely low. no one is going to pay particular attention to that. i think there needs to be more severe penalties. and i think those penalties have to go up the ladder higher than they do currently. when we put mine foremen in jail, the person who told the mine foreman what to do is still walking around free and clear. so we have to be able to go up the ladder all the way up to the chief executive of the company, if that is who is making these decisions and putting others at risk. >> but that's beyond a misdemeanor. >> absolutely. that's got to be a felony and it's got to be written into the law and it doesn't exist right now. >> thank you. >> the gentleman's time is expired. i recognize myself. mr. shapiro, thanks for being here. your written testimony notes that oig found mr. page, the leader of msha's investigation team, to have used, and i quote, poor judgment. in dealing with some of massey's representatives

charges in the shooting death of florida teenager trayvon martin is out of jail this morning >> crandall kinston joins us live from florida. we have heard zimmerman apologize to the family of trayvon martin. now he has been released from jail. in reaction from the family? >> he again criticized the policy through a lawyer saying it was not the sincere and that the family of trayvon martin continues to hope that the free will be temporary because the pain of their loss will be permanent. >> any indication of where zimmerman will stay as he awaits trial? >> his attorney has told us that his location will not be revealed. there are security concerns. apparently he has received death threats. his family members say they've gotten threatening phone calls so we don't know where they will be but there was an indication that the bail hearing that he may be allowed to stay out of state. he is wearing a gps is ankle bracelet that will allow authorities here at the correctional institution to track him wherever he goes in america >> we know that the bail was set in the midday on friday, was there a

you can bet tensions are high for the last hour as police wound from south dallas to crandall up intoest dallas, back through the medical district, over into sunny vail, back into dallas and this thing coming to an end. megyn: kudos to the dallas police who managed to apprehend this suspect without harm to anyone. so as you can see, it does not appear there was a child in that car as the police opened up the back doors and appeared to not reach in. there was, however, a woman as initially reported in that car with him. she was described earlier on as a hostage. and she will be -- she'll be debriefed by the police as well. we were told earlier she was his victim in an attempted shooting a couple days ago. we are led to believe that' the reason the police showed up at his house this morning to execute the felony warrant and that is where this car chase began. you can see it ended in the middle of downtown dallas from the look of it and dallas p.d. has'their man. as we so often say at the end of these chases, enjoy prison. we'll move on to other news. a fox news alert. we get new signs t