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dr. brzezinski's proposal, and he says smart stuff all time so i don't want to misinterpret him. but i would be very cautious about having a limited club that left a lot of states out because you would signal that it's not okay to attack turkey or saudi arabia but because ohman's on the list, that's fine? we have a bad history actually historically of leaving countries out of security umbrellas and then getting baited. we have to be careful of who's in the club and who's not. i don't think a formal treaty is necessary. you could have a declaratory policy that the middle east and the gulf in particular and israel are in the fundamental national interests of the united states -- that's not news to anybody -- that we will resist any effort by outside powers to change orders or attack others with any means up to and including nuclear weapons, and that we actually wouldn't have to change our force posture all that much in the region to do this. we already have enough trip wire forces in the region. we have 40,000 u.s. forces in the region, 800 forces in saudi arabia that conduct train

dr. brzezinski about the role of the pt, with d.c.as the will of role of the international organization coming to you and umno has been a great deal of time trying to make the organizations relevant. are there regional organizations were at the conspicuously not going to play a role in cc between the empowered negotiations of avoiding in managing conflict in the region? >> well, i would say that it depends a great deal on how powerful are the forces that are collecting in some sort of a conflict. if they are secondary or tertiary importance, i think regional or international organizations can be quite influential and i think the best example of that pertains to several instant lives in which international regional organ nations that leda pacifying role in africa. the problem we are discussing today unfortunately involves powers with more significant regional scope of influence or potential disrupt finance. and that means in turn at the source of the resolution of these problems don't only come from the major powers. and this is why it

dr. brzezinski's life was shaped by the fact they fled warsaw before the uprising and mrs. zechoslovakia just like you. you talked about n a debate about colin powell and his view of the world versus your view of the world. how your view was shaped by your childhood. >> there's no question it was. one of the big questions was mu nick. how is it possible for czechoslovakia to basically be betrayed by major powers and deals made over their heads and not standing up to evil. so, i did, in fact, i was affected by what people call the munich syndrome, to stand-up to things. >> that was for viewers, 1938, chamberlain goes to munich. >> what is story talks about more than i knew at the time was how many deals were made to appease hitler, to kind of feed the beast and to see whether it was possible to keep giving into him so he would not carry out his plans to conquer europe. that's where the word appeasement really was the strongest and really is the indictment about how the western powers behave. >> first of all, what year did you flee czechoslovakia? >> march '39. >> how old were

dr. brzezinski and others, and it's tough to get an answer.our time in iran, what was the feeling on who actually ran the country? because you hear ahmadinejad is a figurehead for the ayatollahs. you hear the ayatollahs are actually figureheads for the revolutionary guard. it just goes around in circles. who is running iran right now? >> well, one thing you can be certain of is that the man who is known as the supreme leader, the ayatollah, is surely at the center of power in that country. the question of the revolutionary guard is a little bit more complex because they do have their hands on various different levers, military and economic. they have pretty big stake in the country's economy. >> does the supreme leader have the power to cross the revolutionary guard? >> according to the constitution, he does. >> but i'm not asking about the constitution, though. if he steps out of line, do they come after him? >> no. i don't think we've seen that to happen. there is some debate about this among iran experts there. are people who say now there

dr. brzezinski are drinking, i want it. >> lithuanian vodka. >> i asked him -- >> i don't drink vodka. >>e after it on the treadmill. >> yep, i do. >> eight degrees. >> i have a trainer that's been with me 19 years. >> my goodness. >> you know what he says when people ask him what he does? >> what's that? >> he said, "keep him alive." >> he's doing a good job. he's doing a good job of it. >> incentive pay program. >> so we're seeing -- we're seeing right now, of course, gas wars on tv. who's to blame for high gas prices? who's really for energy exploration? what's the story out there? >> you want it in 30 seconds? >> yeah. >> i want it however you want it. >> 28. >> the gas price is controlled by opec. if you look at the world today, oil coming from opec is $125 a barrel. wti, which is our local crew in the united states, west texas intermediate, it's $100, $105. it's $20 cheaper. we have the cheapest energy in the world, did you know that? >> i did not know that. >> okay. the global price for oil is $125. the united states, $105. so we're 20% under the global price. and we're crying abou

dr. brzezinski -- are there regional organizations are they not going to play a role as you see in the relationship between the power negotiations on avoiding and managing conflict in the region? >> well, i would say that it depends a great deal on how powerful the forces that are colliding in some sort of a conflict. if they are of secondary or tertiary importance, i think regional or international organizations can be quite influential, and i think the best example of that pertains to several instances in which international regional organizations are playing a constructive pacifying role in africa. what we're discussing today involves powers with more regional scope of influence or potential destructiveness, and that means in turn that the sort of resolution of these problems not only come from the major powers -- and this is why it is so important that we and the others work with us -- have some sort of shared strategy for coping with the problems we have been discussing today, because i don't think we can impose a solution, and i'm not sure we even have the right approach towards the problem.