durbrow was absolutely elated by the response to his project. and he announced in a press conference -- press conference, i mean a minor little group of reporters that were there, that this was a great leap forward toward democracy in vietnam. i later interviewed one of the vietnamese in the crowd, and i told them that i was gratified that the vietnamese had been converted to american democracy by this observation of the electoral process. he said, what do you mean electoral process? we were just betting on the numbers. [ applause ] >> betting on the numbers. anyway. numbers. numbers. looking back, my first role is vietnam was so bloodthirsty compared with conflicts today in somalia, half a dozen or 20 americans died, it was a tragedy, but the war stopped for america. vietnam, i remember, with one action in 1965, a company of paratroopers, 100 paratroopers, 11 killed and 40 wounded. i did a story. but actually at that time the joint u.s. public affairs office was created. at that time sometimes an enemy, maybe. but only speaking professionally,