engelsby, but also dr. engilsby expressing some concern about the decision. dr. keim, why don't you begin? >> first off on the committee, we are again a board of 25 high ly qualified individuals and we rarely agree upon anything. >> sounds like congress. >> i know. awe although we may not be highly qualified. >> i must say we actually embrace this dissent and weep use it and we cherish the different members and their opinions and it's true for this particular example as well. i did, this was in fact, a letter that was meant for an internal type of a process for us to understand in a retrospective fashion what we had done and what we had come through and it was as such, i view it as a very constructive type of communication. it was unfortunate that it was leaked and it became part of the public dialogue. it makes it harder to have a constructive and proactive type conversation there. many things you said are worth examining. one point that he makes in the letter is in fact there was a bias in the witness list. i think that -- that is true. the primary witnesses th

engelsby, but also expressing some concern. dr. penn, why don't you again? >> first off on the committee, we are a board of 25 highly qualified individuals and we rarely agree on anything. >> sounds like congress. >> i know. >> although we may not be highly col colorful. >> we actually embrace this and use it and we cherish the members and this particular group as well. this was a letter meant for an internal process for us to understand in a retrospective fashion what we did come through and as a very constructive type of communication. it was you aren't it was leaked and became part of the public dialogue. makes it harder to have a constructive type conversation. in fact there was a bias in the witness left. i think that is true. the primary witnesses that we brought in for this hearing were ine investigators themselves. they're inherently biased. they wanted their work published. we brought in a second investigator who's been collaborating them and working on how you use this information for surveillance purposes. again, somebody who would like to see the