mohan's appointment based on this; that you felt he understood what you and your father wanted in particular in relation to political lines to take at election time? >> it was not really on my concerns. he would be reporting to mrs. brooks who had taken over as chief executive, and he was her strong recommendation. and well respected, and i thought it was a good idea. >> you knew what mrs. brooks' position was on matters in europe, didn't you? >> yes. >> and presumably, you could trust her to recommend someone who might be in the same place, couldn't you? >> i didn't -- the specifity around different policies and things like that, that didn't, that wasn't something that i engaged in great substance on. >> okay. i move on now, mr. murdoch, to the phone hacking which is, obviously, in one sense well-trodden ground because you've given evidence now twice to select committees. can i just establish one fact to start off with. it is right that before the select committees your position was that you, you neither saw, nor knew about the neville e-mail, is that correct? >> that's correct. pardon me,