mr. atkins. >> i think it's very dangerous to have a policy here without a real coherent strategy. and the world industrial policy has largely been given a bad name. whatever you want to call it, if we don't have a coherent strategy, we can't just rely -- we can't just rely on sort of expecting companies to do the right thing, just leaving them alone. one important reason, by the way, there is a skill shortage that everybody talks about and companies complain of a skill shortage is because companies themselves are investing half in training the workers that they did a decade ago. investing half. so when you're investing half in training your workers, you're going to end up with a skill shortage. i think the real challenge here is we need to form real public/private partnerships and form a national industrial strategy. and that will clearly include things, if you will, things from both sides of the aisle. has to include regulatory issues. has to include tax issues. but has to include real strategy about technology areas we think we can be successful and about how we're going to reor