so richard mcgregor, there have been reports on the internet-- and then i want to get back to mr. xiao about the internet, too because that's his expertise that bo xilai was trying to undermine the current chinese leadership and the presumed successor to president huh, xi jinping. is there evidence of that? >> there's no direct evidence of that. his major crime, if you like, politically, was to campaign so publicly for a place in the inner circle of the chinese leadership. he was a very charismatic western-style politician. that doesn't sit well with other leaders because you're meant to do your business behind closed doors. having said that, it's true they all have dirt on each other but this is pretty exceptional. not every top chinese leader is involved or their families are involved in murder and that makes it exceptional. there's a loser in a power struggle there's more to that, i think. >> warner: xiao qiang, you're smiling. is >> i guess we don't know if other leaders have been involved or not, right? not until they became lucid. >> well, that's true, but this is a pretty r

so richard mcgregor, there have been reports on e internet-- and then i want to get back to mr. xiao about the internet, too because that's his expertise that bo xilai was trying to undermine the current chinese leadership and the presumed successor to president huh, xi jinping. is there evidence of that? >> there's no direct evidence of that. his major crime, if you like, politically, was to campaign so publicly for a place in the inner circle of the chinese leership. he w a veryharismatic western-style politician. that doesn't sit well with other leaders because you're meant to do your business behind closed doors. having said that, it's true they all have dirt on each other but this is pretty exceptional. not every top chinese leader is involved or their families are involved in murder and that makes it exceptional. there's a loser in a power struggle there's more to that, i think. >> warner: xiao qiang, you're smiling. is >> i guess we don't know if her leers havee involved or not, right? not until they became lucid. >> well, that's true, but this is a pretty remarkable case