khomeini makes the decision to go for a bomb, it would take at least a year for them to produce a crude testable device. it kolt a year total to generate a crude device and it would take several years for them to create a device so fphisticated enougho be put on the tip of a missile. although there's no doubt iran is positioning itself to have the capability to make this decision, u.s. intelligence officials have, testified that there's no evidence that the supreme leader has actually yet made the decision to do so. moreover, there's good reason to believe he's not likely to make the decision in the near term. most powerful argument in favor of that claim is that will to build a bomb anywhere in the short term, he'll have to use his declared enrichmentern facilities either at natanz or in the mountain near the holy city. any mof mof would be detected by international inspectors and therefore, the speem lead ser not likely to make that decision anytime soon till he can compress the timeline for a bomb or do it in complete secret which is likely quite some time off. the second point i'd like to ma

they've got a skill for taking big metaphysical questions, what is memory and breaking them down into testable chunks. >> rose: they enjoy the process too don't they. >> exactly. they find ways to mind their failures for new insights. i real piesed i wasn't cut out for it. >> rose: did you at the same time find out you were cut out for the written word. >> that came a little bit, that came a little bit later, you know. i then tried some other stuff when i was at ox palo verde i did 20th century literature and philosophy and i realize i still miss science, the miss the immere seizalempiricallism. that's when i found out about writing. >> rose: this is a perfect marriage between writing and subject matter. >> it's a pretty great job. >> rose: tell me about creativity. what have you learned about it that we didn't know. >> you know, we've had this myths for thousands of years about the creative process that it's this thing we rely on the muses for. you outsource the imagination. it seems so mysterious when we invent an idea out of thing air. >> rose: it was related to some kind of genius thing. >

. >> benson sent those preserved fingernails off to the lab along with other testable pieces of evidence. and then, as he and coco waited for the results, benson continued to dig into the murder file and into the life of karin strom. what happened to make her a target of somebody's murderous rage? she was born in salt lake city, utah, an eldest daughter. coco's big sister. and in this state in some ways she was distinctly unusual. >> we grew up catholic in utah. my dad's side of the family was mormon. my mom was catholic. >> so you knew what it was to be a minority. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> and she was popular and pretty, a natural dancer who once in high school was rarely without a date on a saturday night. and when she got her first car, her adored yellow camaro, life couldn't get any better. >> she loved that car. i loved that car. we used to go riding, just cruising in that car. that car was -- she was so happy when she got that. >> that she got married so soon, just 18, and right out of high school seemed reasonable at the time. at least to coco it did. >> living in utah? >> th

you know, it's not something that's empirically testable, but suffering is. actually, the indices of suffering, starvation, absence of water, mortality. these things are very measurable. and actually addressing suffering is much easier than trying to make ourselves happier. you can do far more. you can actually-- to lift a very large number of people from poverty takes very little. and therefore, you would have actually much more effect with your politics. it -- there's also kind of behind a moral imperative. i mean, you know, personally, i think those suffering the most should be our primary concern. >> six, "consult and negotiate." >> don't just roll over people. if you take them for granted and try to do your thing without taking account of what they want, you won't succeed. and i've seen this in international negotiations, which exclude people. the agreements that follow from that won't work. this is what we're trying to do in independent diplomat is get ordinary people's voices into that process. but that consultation will produce an outcome that might w