i'm unhappy to say or unhappen. don't know that. and that would be the founder of the kinsey institute which is still alive and rushing along. he is not alive. but it's still going on in indiana at the indiana university, and gender reproduction, the consistency institute and was involved in the sexual torture of hundreds of chirp, and i say that is nose a reliable scientist, but it's been a little difficult to get that across. >> host: well, very quickly, remind us about the kinsey report and where he came from and how he developed that whole -- >> guest: sure. world war ii was over, officially in '45. our guys were returning from overseas. they were traumatized. the nation was traumatized. and a couple of years later, 1948, kinsey's book comes out called "sexual behavior in the human male" and the propaganda around it -- i call it propaganda -- marketing propaganda -- was that this man, great conservative scientist, was going to tell the american public to talk about what we were doing sexually, our grandchilds -- grandparents wer