brad watson writes, it's realistic but washington does not deal in reality. apple acolyte tweets, the alternative is disastrous. >>> and stevenare or increase in taxes will not be used to pay down so why use it at all? let's get both sides of the debate. former economic clinton adviser with me now, high school of business, americans love big government even if they don't realize it. on the opposing side, mitt romney and kevin with aei. thank you both for joining us. >> thank you, maria. >> many americans who criticize big government would support it if they understand the meaning of big government. please explain. >> i think it's simple. you know what the statistics are. you have 20% of medicare and medicaid, 20% in defense, about 5% or so, a little bit more in interest payments on the debt. so i assume people on survey after survey don't want to cut social security, medicare and medicaid, they are worried about cutting big cuts in defense or might say everything else. and then you have to say, well what is everything else? science, infrastructure, education, food stamps, aid to children who are very, very poor, ppoo poor, pe